Hi there just checking your info and wondering if you had any info on charlottes other children as my great great grandmother was mary ann hyde and I have been told she was very aboriginal and her mother was charlotte and her mother was walcotte cheers Jan

Hi Jan, my great great great grandmother was Amelia HYDE who was 1 of Charlotte children. Yes she was aboriginal.

Charlotte had a daughter to james hyde and her name was mary ann and she married my gt gt grandfather george smith.if you have any info,photos etc on molly walcotte or charlotte and their families about where they came from etc I would really appreciate it enormously.cheers jan

HI there , my name is christina Lydiard. Im trying to research my family history as I was never brought up in my fathers family.What i do know is limited- second hand information from my sister.My sister has told me that we are decendents of the Awabakal tribe, that our relative is indigenous.I have been in contact with some organisations and the only response I have managed to get is what follows:
Convict(Prince of Orange1821) jOHN wRIGHT Preston had a relationship with an awabakal woman named (Mahrahkah). John and Mahrahkah had a daughter names Charlotte(1839) and when baptised her parents names were said to be John and Maria. Charlotte Preston had a relationship with a convict named James Hyde and had at least 10 children. Charlotte died in 1871. ...My grandmothers name is Lyla Joy Frost- it is said to be that the indigenous origin in our family is on my grandmothers side.I believe that one of my Frost ancestors married a decendent of James and Charlotte. Does any one have any information on any FROST marriages or children that married or had children into this family tree, as im trying to reseaarch my family tree and would like to know if Im a decendent of the awabakal tribe.

Also my sister told me that john married a woman with the name mary mcgee, mcghee, magee( dont know which spelling) and that she became baptised and they changed her name to Maria?...that they had 1 child. Ive been told by my sister that she is our great great great grandmother. I dont know how true this is?....Does anyone know if John and her marriage was a well recorded aboriginal / english marriage.

This information has been taken from the Newcastle Morning herald Sat June9 2012, under the heading of Public Notice Authorisation Heading
Listed in The Awabakal Peoples
-Mahrahkah (known as Molly/ Molly Morgan/ Maria Morgan)
-Charlotte Preston (Daughter of Molly/ Molly morgan/ Maria Morgan)
An application for Charlotte and James Hyde to marry was refused on Eccesiastical grounds. This information is available in James Hyde's convict records. As far as I am aware John preston did not marry Mahrahkah (Molly Morgan) Hope this Helps.

I can give you this info to help you out. Someone from UK but not related searched it out and sent it to a cousin or mine. Also found some info a few yrs ago when I was doing my research into wright preston & James Hyde etc.
So hope this helps:
About John Wright Preston James Hyde Amelia Preston Hyde & Marakah(aka Molly or Maria Morgan)

John Wright Preston b: c 1799 was tried in Sussex (1820) and received a life sentence for stealing horses. He arrived on the ship ?Prince of Orange? in 1821, and was on the list of prisoners transported to Newcastle per ?Governor Bligh?.
On 19th July 1834 John got his ticket of leave, and was pardoned in 1841. JWP took up with a full blooded aboriginal woman named Marakah (aka Molly or Maria Morgan). Marakah had taken part in the corroboree put on for the Govenor of N.S.W. (Gov Macquarie)in approx 1818 in the Newcastle region.
Marakah was from the Awabakal tribe who were native of Lake Macquarie NSW area. The source of this is Shane Frost who is a decendant of Marakah.
They had a daughter around 1829 in Newcastle who was baptised in church as Charlotte Preston (half caste). Don?t know when she died.
On 1849 John Wright Preston 49yrs married Jane Walker 17yrs old in Newcastle at Christ Church Cathedral.

Charlotte Preston was born in 1829.
She was the daughter of John Wright Preston & Marakah (aka Molly or Maria Morgan).
Charlotte was a (half caste aboriginal).
She met James Hyde and he sort permission to marry her but the authorities refused saying convicts were not permitted to marry aboriginals (the belief was that convicts might degrade the aboriginal people). They lived together and went on to have around 10 children regardless.
On 24th Dec 1851 Charlotte was committed for trial for stealing a note and paper from Isaac Dawes.
On 7th Jan 1852 she was found not guilty of stealing and at that time was living then with James Hyde.

James Hyde :
James Hyde b: c1816 was tried in for Highway Robbery Shropshire UK He came from Shropshire and commited his crime in 1835 with an accomplice on the highway. At the parish of Shiffnall between the towns of Shiffnall and Horshay at the bottom of Nedge Hill. .

He arrived on the ship ?Prince George? in 1837 aged 19yrs and assigned to the Australian Agricultural Company as a servant mining for coal as this was his occupation. He met an aboriginal girl named Charlotte Preston the daughter of John Wright Preston another convict sent for life in the colonies in 1821 who was at Newcastle also and her mother was an aboriginal woman named Molly Morgan and her aboriginal name was Mahrahkah. An Awabakal tribal Aboriginal ( the Awabakal Women were known by their tribe as Awabakaleen because Awabakal is the man, Awabakaleen is the woman.
On 17th Feb 1844 at Newcastle he was assigned to A. A. Co. Charged with drunkenness and served 14days solitary confinement on bread and water.
In1847 his ticket of leave was granted.
Don?t know when he met Charlotte Preston but he was living with her in 1852.
On 21st July James Hyde and George Brightmore were to sent to be tried for larceny at Maitland Quarter Sessions.
Charlotte and James had 10 children that we know of Amelia being the youngest.
Amelia who is my Great Grandmother.
James Hyde drowned in Lake Macquarie in 1899.




Family Group Sheet
Husband: James HYDE ( Convict )
Born: 1818 in: Hopton Wafers Stropshire England
Married: 27 December 1849 in: Refused permission to marry
Died: 3 May 1899 in: Toronto Newcastle NSW Australia Reg No 5169
Father: Thomas HYDE
Mother: Mary
Other Spouses: Janet
Wife: Charlotte PRESTON (Aboriginal)
Born: 30 March 1829 in: Newcastle NSW Australia reg no LL Vol V1829858162A
Died: 28 April 1871 in: New Lambton NSW Australia reg no 4777
Father: John PRESTON (Convict)
Mother: Molly MORGAN (Mahrahkah or Walcotte)
CHILDREN
1 Name: Annie HYDE
Born: 1845 in: Newcastle NSW Australia
Died: 23 September 1931 in: Adamstown NSW Australia reg no 15281
Married: 7 May 1867 in: New Lambton Newcastle NSW Australia Reg no 2589
Spouse: William HINCKS
F
2 Name: Susan HYDE
Born: 1847
Died: 24 October 1899 in: Merewether St Merewether NSW Australia reg no 13989
Married: 4 September 1867 in: Registry Office Newcastle NSW Australia reg no 2622
Spouse: Thomas MOSES
Married: 12 March 1897 in: Registrars Office Merewether NSW Australia
Spouse: John DAVIES
F
3 Name: Catherine HYDE
Born: 27 September 1849 in: Newcastle NSW Australia
Died: 5 November 1849 in: Newcastle NSW Australia
F
4 Name: James HYDE
Born: 20 May 1850 in: Newcastle NSW Australia
Died: 16 July 1858 in: Waratah Newcastle NSW Australia reg no 4641
M
5 Name: Robert HYDE
Born: 1851
Died: 12 November 1925 in: Taree NSW Australia reg no 19716
Married: 17 June 1885 in: Minmi NSW Australia reg no 5804
Spouse: Emma SIDEBOTTOM
M
6 Name: William HYDE
Born: 1855
Died: 24 December 1903 in: Adamstown NSW Australia reg no 12854
Married: 8 October 1881 in: Ministers Residence Devon St Plattsburg Newcastle NSW Australia
Reg no 5615
Spouse: Mary Ann Ada HUGHES
M
7 Name: Amelia HYDE
Born: 1856
Died: 21 March 1921 in: Gosford NSW Australia reg no 9509
Married:
Spouse: Sevenis ANTONIA
Married: 17 February 1883 in: Plattsburg Wallsend NSW Australia reg no 6616
Spouse: Mitchell FOLEY
F
8 Name: Mary ann HYDE
Born: 21 June 1857 in: Newcastle NSW Australia
Died: 15 June 1872 in: New Lambton NSW Australia reg no 5550
Married:
Spouse: John TATTERSALL
F
9 Name: Thomas HYDE
Born: Abt. 1861
Died: 3 January 1894 in: Teralba near Wallsend NSW Australia reg no 13613
Married: 11 April 1881 in: Wallsend NSW Australia reg no 5585
M
2
Family Group Sheet
9 Spouse: Martha Jane RODGERS
M
10 Name: Unnamed Female HYDE
Born: 11 May 1863 in: Waratah Newcastle NSW Australia reg no 10988
Died 1: 23 June 1863 in: Waratah Newcastle NSW Australia reg no 4874


I think he was tried in Sussex by the way.
john wright preston was born 25/10/1801, baptised 28/03/1802 in west wickham, cambridgeshire. his parents were reuben and ann wright preston, {looking for birthdates, marriage etc}.
siblings,
james 30/07/1796 bap 07/08/1796,
john 28/01/1798 bap 11/02/1798 died 27/06/1800,
reuben 17/05/1799 bap 16/06/1799,
george 11/05/1806 bap 15/06/1806 and
thomas 12/08/04 bap 16/06/06.

more stuff on Johns mother:

ann farrant, born to matthew farrant and hannah smoothy. baptised 30/03/1776 at the old meeting house, presbyterian, haverhill, which is suffolk not cambs,

I've got a photo of I think it's Susan Hyde and one of My gt gt?? grandmother Amelia Preston Hyde if you want it. Hope this helps you.

Hey, thanks everyone. I stumbled across this site while searching for John Wright Preston and was gobsmacked at the entries above.

My great grandmother is Annie Jennings (nee Moses) who is a daughter of Susan Hyde and Thomas Moses. My mother, who remembers Annie well is a wealth of info about Annie when my mother was growing up. It was only when we discovered the aboriginal ancestry that my mother was able to put a lot of pieces together.

Please do not rush me for information, as I have been concentrating more on my mother's father's side for the last couple of years, so have lost a bit of touch with her mother's side.

Please contact me by all means, but please don't expect immediate replies. I still work full time and have a lot of data with another side of the family tree to collate and gather (oh....the downside of 'well to do' settlers'!

What I do have is newspaper articles for James Hyde and John Wright Preston if anyone wants them. I haven't gone back on their lineage, so thankyou very much kathpreece, for the extra info on John Wright Preston.

The oldest photo I have is of Sarah Hyde and some of her daughters, but nothing further back than that, but that could be before cameras became available...not sure.

Looking forward to replies, and would dearly love to proceed further with this line.

Elizabeth

Iam also a grand child of Annie Jennings (nee Moses) who is a daughter of Susan Hyde and Thomas Moses. Annie married William Jennings who lived at Dudley rd charlestown

I forgot my email paulholmesy@msn.com for all those Susan Hyde Moses people

I am lead to believe that my great grand mother was Mary Hughes from Newcastle N .S .W whom had a daughter Molly Hughes my grand mother and several other children ... I'm not sure if this fits within this geneogram but hoping it does...Molly had three daughters ...two lived with Mary and the third lived with the Johnson family...can you please help me...the men's names that keep coming up are Thomas Hughes and some Man Anderson
thank you Charlene

Sorry I forgot my email if you can help cdavis@mdas.org.au

It was so interesting to read all about the Hyde family & the info that people have.
I am also lead to believe I am a descendant of Thomas Hyde & Martha Jane Rodgers who had 8 or 9 children.
This is the info I have so far on the children.
Thomas Hyde
B-1852
D-1894 Wallsend (shot)
M-1881 Wallsend
Martha Jane Rodgers
B-1859
D-1915 Raymond Terrace
Martha Jane Hyde
M-George Bennett
1896 West Maitland.
1 Alfred Thomas Percival Hyde. (known as Percy)
B-1882 Wallsend
D-1950 Newcastle.
2 Albert E V Hyde
B-1883 Wallsend.
3 Martha ARCLM? Hyde
B-1884 Wallsend
D-1885 Wallsend.
My Great Grandfather
4 Cecil Joseph James Hyde
B-1886 Wallsend
D-1967 Newcastle
M-1911 Ida(Ada) E M Sheen
Hamilton
M-1944 Minnie Clair Craig
Redfern.
5 Maud A R Hyde
B-1888 Minmi.
6 George Hyde
B-1890 Wallsend
D-1890 Wallsend.
7 Ivy E Hyde
B-1893 Wallsend
D-1893 Wallsend.
8 Rose Hyde
D-1930 Wallsend???
If anyone knows of some other descendants or info of Thomas & Martha I would love to hear from them.
My email is bettyb5752@gmail.com
Thanks to all for the info you have shared, it is much appreciated.

I am related to Molly Morgan (Mahrahkah) too...this is what I know....

Molly MOrgan and John Preston had one child- Charlotte Preston, who married James Hyde.
They had 7 children, Susan Hyde being the 2nd of 7 children married Thomas Moses. They had 10 children, the 9th being Charlotte Moses, who married William Clarke. They had 1 child, Elizabeth Ann Moses, who married Thomas Rush. They had 13 children, the 2nd being my grandfather Edward George Rush.

Any further information or photographs of this family would be really highly appreciated. Especially information on Mahrahkah.

I am a decendant of Annie Hyde and William Hincks. Annie is my Gx2 grandmother, Charlotte Preston (Hyde) my Gx3 grandmother and Mahrahkah / Molly / Maria my Gx4 grandmother.
I am interested in any and all information on the Hyde's, Preston's and Mahrahkah.

Many thanks!
Julie
julesjez@yahoo.com

I am Julies cousin - comment above.
Mahrahkah is my Grandmother x4
I also am a descendant of:
Annie Hyde & William Hincks
We all look forward to hearing from you!
Catherine
Rogerss777@gmail.com

Hi there!

I live in the UK and have just joined Family Tree Circles. My mother is Kathleen Preece (mentioned above) which makes me a descendant of the Prestons/Hydes. My mother's hasn't been doing much with the family history over the past few years, so I've now decided to delve into a few chosen areas.

In particular, I'd like to dig deeper into the stories of John Wright Preston & James Hyde (and related families). I'm keen to know more about their lives, and in particular about Mahrahkah - aka Molly Morgan.

FYI, my family line descends from Amelia Hyde (daughter of Charlotte Preston), who married a Foley.

If anyone feels they want to reach out and share any incites about the particular part of the family I'm researching, that would be great. I also have some of my mother's research, so I can check that Mum is happy for me to share that, if you're interested.

Reading one of the comments above was a good reminder of just how much time & effort it takes to collate this info, let alone get it across to someone else succinctly. In fact, it's taken me quite a while just to arrange my mother's paperwork into some semblance of order and wrap my head around it (and I'm still doing so). So I totally understand that you may be a busy bod who hasn't got time to while many hours away at the keyboard sharing this stuff. Hopefully others will understand that I'm a busy gal, too. The spirit is willing and infinite, but human life has its limitations, I'm afraid!

Meantime, I thought I'd share a couple of PDFs which I found online. I still have to finish reading these, but if you're interested, you can download them for yourself at the following addresses. They mention the John Wright Preston, James Hyde and Mahrahkah, offering some interesting background...

SACRIFICE ET SAGESSE: Truth Telling from Eastern Australia, 1788-1842
https://cdn.csu.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/3101199/Awabakal-Eastern-Australia-Truth-telling..pdf

RECOVERING LIVES - 15 CONVICTS IN NSW
https://openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/bitstream/1885/110682/2/b37328207-Taylor_L_W.pdf

Righto, I'll leave my email address below and see what, if anything, blows in on the next wind.

All the best!

Alannah

thepyjamawriter@outlook.com

My grandmother x 4 is also Mahrahkah. I am a descendant of Charlotte Mary Ann Preston and James Hyde’s daughter Susan. Susan married Thomas Moses. Their daughter Mary Ann married James Pollock. My grandmother was Mary Elizabeth Pollock and she married John David MacKinnon. They lived in Weston, NSW. My mother Violet Mary married Arthur Richard Gillam. They had 4 children. My niece has done significant research on Charlotte Mary Anne Preston and sent me a link to an ABC radio piece by Felicity McCallum which has its focus on Mahrahkah - An extraordinary story of the Awabakal people’s confrontation with white settlement.

I am also descended from Charlotte through her daughter Amelia. Her son William is my great great grandfather on my mother's side. Since most people on my mothers paternal side are no longer with us we have been relying heavily on information found on the internet.

I am also descended from Charlotte through her daughter Amelia. Her son William is my great great grandfather on my mother's side. Since most people on my mothers paternal side are no longer with us we have been relying heavily on information found on the internet.