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Looking for my grandfather Jack Grocott of Shrewsbury, Shropshire England

Query by drumjazz

Also known as Jack (or John) Groucott. 13 children in family: Wilfred, Ted, Annie, Dorothy, the rest unknown. Great grandparents given names unknown. Jack emigrated to Canada on March 17th 1910 aboard the S.S. Dominion.

His travel documents spell his name Grocott but the family used Groucott.

Surnames: GROCOTT GROUCOTT
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by noggin on 2014-06-27 13:43:19

U.S., Records of Aliens Pre-Examined in Canada, 1917-1954

Name: Jack Grocott
Gender: Male
Race: English
Age: 39
Birth Date: abt 1888
Birth Place: Horsekay Skrop
Marital Status: Married
Pre-Examination Date: 3 May 1927
Pre-Examination Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

On the original it states born Horsekay Shrop
That he arrived in Canada in may 1911

Horsekay Shropshire is about 23 miles east of Shewbury. It is about 2 miles sw of Telford

by noggin on 2014-06-27 13:44:18

Also in the above his name is spelt Groucott

by noggin on 2014-06-27 13:55:35

U.S., Atlantic Ports Passenger Lists, 1820-1873 and 1893-1959
Name: Jack Groucott
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Hornhay, England
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: English
Arrival Date: 27 Mar 1910
Port of Arrival: Portland, Maine
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Dominion
Friend's Name: Geo Evans
Last Residence: England
Place of Origin: England
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Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
Name: Jack Groucott
Arrival Date: Nov 1923
Port of Arrival: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Residence Country: Canada
Age: 32
Birth Date: abt 1891
Birth Country: England
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English
Record Type: Manifests
Line Number: 28

States he is a architect draftersman. wife Elizabeth is in Minto Hall, Winnipeg

by noggin on 2014-06-27 14:09:49

This looks like John /Jack wiyh his parents.


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Horsehay Common, Wellington Rural Shropshire

Mathew Wm Head Married Male 45 1856 Engine Driver Stationary b Walsall, Staffordshire
Ellen Wife Married Female 41 1860 - b Lawley, Salop
Frederick Wm Son Single Male 19 1882 Clay Moulder Pipe Works b Horsehay, Salop
John son Single Male 15 1886 Office Boy Iron Works b Horsehay, Salop
Hilda Daughter Single Female 12 1889 - b Wellington, Salop
Jane E Daughter Single Female 10 1891 - b Wellington, Salop
Mathew H Son Single Male 9 1892 - b Wellington, Salop
Eliza A Daughter Single Female 7 1894 - b Horsehay, Salop
Dorothy Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - b Horsehay, Salop
Wilfred N Son Single Male 2 1899 - b Horsehay, Salop
Richard B A Son - Male 0 1901 - b Horsehay, Salop

by noggin on 2014-06-27 14:15:36

Shropshire baptisms

Name: John Groucott
Baptism date 17 May 1885
Denomination Anglican
Place Lawley
Father's first name(s) Matthew William
Mother's first name(s) Ellen
Residence - County Shropshire
Register type Baptism
Register date range 1865-1900
Archive reference P155/A/1/1
Page 66
Record set Shropshire baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

by noggin on 2014-06-27 14:17:20

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: John Groucott
Registration Year: 1885
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Madeley
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 628

by noggin on 2014-06-27 14:24:21

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Matthew W Groucott
Name: Matthew W Groucott
Registration Year: 1880
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Wellington
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 1328

Spouse : Ellen Morgan

by noggin on 2014-06-27 14:26:19

Shropshire marriages

Name: Matthew William Groucott
Year Of Birth 1856
Year Of Marriage 1880
Marriage Date 12 May 1880
Place Lawley
Denomination Anglican
Age 24
Residence Lawley
Spouse's Name: Ellen Morgan
Spouse Age 20
Spouse Residence Place Lawley
Father's Name John Groucott
Spouse Father Name Samuel Morgan
County Shropshire
Register Type Marriage
Register Date Range 1867-1900
Archive Reference P155/A/2/1
Page 86
Record set Shropshire marriages

by noggin on 2014-06-27 14:29:09

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Matthew W Groucott
Birth Date: abt 1856
Date of Registration: Dec 1939
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Wenlock
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 1700

by noggin on 2014-06-27 14:30:15

I can look back further if you require any more info

by drumjazz on 2014-06-28 09:51:58

Wonderful! All new info for me. Please look back further on both sides. My grandfather told me that we were related to Morgan the pirate but that the records were lost in a fire. Great grandmother's name: Morgan! Many thanks, Owen.

by noggin on 2014-06-28 19:33:17

In both these census the surname as been spelt Growcott

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Address: 5 Bridge Road, Wellington, Shropshire, England

Matthew William Growcott Male 35 1856 Brewers Traveller Staffordshire
Ellen Growcott wife Female 31 1860 - Shropshire
Gertrude Eden Growcott Daughter Female 10 1881 Scholar Shropshire
Frederick William Growcott Son Male 9 1882 Scholar Shropshire
Emma Elizabeth Growcott Daughter Female7 1884 Scholar Shropshire
John Growcott Son Male 5 1886 Scholar Shropshire
Gladys Victoria Growcott Daughter Female 4 1887 Scholar Shropshire
Hilda Growcott Daughter Female 2 1889 - Shropshire
Janet Eveline Growcott Daughter Female 0 1891 - Shropshire


1881 England Census
Name: Mathew William Growcott (miss spelt)
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Ellen Growcott
Gender: Male
Where born: Rushall Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Dawley
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Colliery Locomotive Engine Driver
Registration district: Madeley
Sub-registration district: Dawley
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

Mathew William Growcott 25 b Rushall Walsall, Staffordshire
Ellen Growcott 21 b Little Wenlock, Shropshire
Infant Growcott 6 days Dawley, Shropshire

by noggin on 2014-06-28 19:47:14

1871 England Census
Name: Mathew W Groncott [Mathew W Groucott]
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Groncott
Mother's name: Emma Groncott
Gender: Male
Where born: Rushall, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Wellington
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Horsehay Common
Address: Horse Hay Common, Wellington, Shropshire
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wellington
Sub-registration district: Wellington

John Groncott 38 Occ Coliery engineer CMS b The Rock, Shropshire
Emma Groncott 38 b Shiffnal, Shropshire
Mathew W Groncott 15 Occ bricklayers servant
John Groncott 13 Occ Stoker (iron) b Wellington, Shropshire
Ann E Groncott 11 b Wellington, Shropshire
Jonah Groncott 9 b Wellington, Shropshire
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Address: Lawley Common, Wellington, Shropshire, England

John Groucott Male 29 1832 Engineer At Coal Pit Wellington, Shropshire
Emma Groucott Wife Female 27 1834 - Shropshire
Matthew Groucott Son Male 5 1856 Scholar Rushall, Staffordshire
John Groucott Son Male 3 1858 Scholar Wellington, Shropshire
Ann Groucott Daughter Female 1 1860 - Wellington, Shropshire

by noggin on 2014-06-28 19:59:05

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: John Groucott
Registration Year: 1855
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Shifnal
Parishes for this Registration District:
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 775

Spouse: Emma Dawes

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Shropshire marriages
Name John Groucott
Year Of Marriage 1855
Marriage Date 07 Mar 1855
Place Shifnal
Denomination Anglican
Age Of Full Age
Residence Priors Lee
Spouse's Name Emma Dawes
Spouse Age Of Full Age
Spouse Residence Place Priors Lee
Father's Name Matthew Groucott
Spouse Father Name William Dawes
County Shropshire
Register Type Marriage
Register Date Range 1855-1861
Archive Reference P246/A/3/7
Page 5

by noggin on 2014-06-29 05:20:00

I cannot find John 1831 or father Mathew c 1800 in the 1841/51 census. Tried various variations of the surname. Also tried baptisms for John in hope of finding mothers name. It is difficult to find anyone prior to 1837 because official registration did not start until then. Parish records were only as good as the vicar who registered BMDs.

by drumjazz on 2014-06-29 08:26:05

Many thanks for all this. It's information that has eluded us forever. Owen.

by noggin on 2014-06-30 03:07:01

this might be John 1831 and father Mathew c 1800. I have no way at the moment of proofing it. 1841/51 census are the key.

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Ann Maria Growcott
christening: 4 May 1828 DAWLEY MAGNA,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
father: Matthew Growcott
mother: Anne

Mary Growcott
christening: 19 May 1822 DAWLEY MAGNA,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
father: Matthew Growcott
mother: Ann

Fanny Growcott
christening: 26 June 1825 DAWLEY MAGNA,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
father: Matthew Growcott
mother: Anne

John Growcott
christening: 28 August 1831 DAWLEY MAGNA,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
father: Matthew Growcott
mother: Ann
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England Marriages, 1538?1973
Matthew Growcott
Name: Matthew Growcott
Spouse's Name: Ann Corbet
Event Date: 22 Jan 1821
Event Place: Wellington,Shropshire,England

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M03752-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 503537, 503538, 510681
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England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Matthew Growcott

Name: Matthew Growcott
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 07 Apr 1799
Christening Place: WELLINGTON,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Growcott
Mother's Name: Rachael

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03752-2 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 510681

by noggin on 2014-06-30 06:59:51

This is the only Emma Dawes I could find born Shiffnal with father Willian as sttated on the marriage reg to John Groucott


1851 England Census
Name: Emma Dawes
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Dawes
Mother's name: Elizabeth Dawes
Gender: Female
Where born: Shiffnal, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Shiffnal
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Oakengates
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street address: Shiffnal, Shropshire, England
Occupation: Pit Bank Labourer
Registration district: Shiffnal
Sub-registration district: Albrighton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5a and 6a

William Dawes 41 occ Stone Miner Wrockwardine, Salop
Elizabeth Dawes 42 wife Wrockwardine, Salop
James Dawes 19 son Stone Miner Shiffnel, Salop
Emma Dawes 18
Joseph Dawes 16 son occ Stone Miner Shiffnel, Salop **
William Dawes 13 son occ Stone Miner Shiffnel, Salop
Josiah Dawes 11 son occ Stone Miner Shiffnel, Salop
Isaah Dawes 8 son Shiffnel, Salop
Enock Dawes 6 son Shiffnel, Salop
Thomas Dawes 3 son Shiffnel, Salop
Mary Dawes 10 Mo Daughter Shiffnel, Salop
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I think this is Emma Dawes


England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Emma Dawes
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 03 Feb 1833
Christening Place: WESLEYAN,England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
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Name: Emma Dawes
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 03 Feb 1833
Christening Place: WESLEYAN,NABB,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 08 Jan 1833
Father's Name: William Dawes
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Salter
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Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C08202-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 0825370 (RG4 1816,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 08 Jan 1833
Father's Name: William Dawes
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Salter

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C08202-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 0825370 (RG4 1816

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There is also this who I think is Emma's brother


Joseph Dawes**
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 13 February 1835
christening: 8 March 1835 WESLEYAN,NABB,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
father: William Dawes
mother: Elizabeth Salter

by noggin on 2014-06-30 07:15:49

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Nabb, Shiffnal, Shropshire, England

William Dawes Male 30 1811 Shropshire
Elizabeth Dawes Female 30 1811 Shropshire
James Dawes Male 10 1831 Shropshire
Emma Dawes Female 5 1836 Shropshire
Joseph Dawes Male 5 1836 Shropshire
William Dawes Male 2 1839 Shropshire
Enoch Dawes Male 1 1840 Shropshire

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I could not find a marriage c 1831 for William Dawes and Elizabeth (salter)

by noggin on 2014-06-30 07:26:39

You could try these site maybe someone can help there. I cannot go any farther back without the marriage

https://www.shropshire.gov.uk/archives/

http://www.sfhs.org.uk/

http://www.local-history.co.uk/Groups/salop.html

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