Looking for CHARTERIS siblings
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I can't seem to get further than James Charteris 1786 who married Helen Bell, but here are their children listed, including my great grandfather David. Perhaps descendants of these may have knowledge of their ancestors and I have put in the little I know of my great uncles, Thomas, William and George.
James Charteris b 5th November 1833
John Charteris b 25th June 1837 Corsua Dumfries d 25 Jan 1908 Capelhill Parish of Johnstone Bridge
William Charteris b 9th Feb 1839 corsua dumfries d 1917 Hipperholm West Yorkshire England
Robert Charteris b 5th March 1841 d 7 November 1870 Lochmaben Scotland
David Charteris b 28th June 1843 Corsua dumfries d 25 December 1929 in New Plymouth
Jane Charteris b 26 November 1845 Corsua Dumfries d 30 jan 1936 Seaforth, Monrave Scotland
Helen Charteris b 3 March 1848
Thomas Charteris b 6 October 1851 Cosrua Dumfries d 16 January 1937, Timaru NZ
Agnes Charteris b 20 January 1853 Corsua Dumfries d 13 August 1942 Jasper, Michigan
George Charteris b 19 May 1855 Corsua Dumfries d 18 March 1938 in Wanganui NZ
Catherine Charteris b 6 August 1857
Walter Charteris b 23 February 1859 Corsua Dumfries (unsure of birth date)
There is virtually nothing about William in his individual family tree, just that married Eliza Corrie, who was born in Morton Parish c1840, this leads me to think that Dad is right and William went to Canada.
It could well be that his sister Agnes followed with her husband, Robert Anderson Duncanson b 29 August 1845 Paisley near Glasgow. They married 28 April 1876 at Dumfries Scotland. Robert Duncanson d 13 August 1942 in Jasper, Michigan.
Re:Thomas, nothing before him coming to NZ except that he had a son, James Richard Charteris who had three wives, just to muddy the waters so to speak.
Additional information from my father, James Seddon Charteris history:
David Charteris arrived in NZ on Epsom and married Esther Fantham.
She sailed from Buckinghamshire in England with her parents (on one of the first 4 ships) when she was three years of age, arriving in Christchurch in 1851. The couple had 14 children, one of them dying as an infant.
They were: Nell, Ernest, Joe, John, Frank, Malcolm, Stanley, Robert, Aggie, Kate, Doll, Bessie & Bert and the unknown baby.
One of their children, Ernest CHARTERIS married Ruby Hansen from Western Australia in Kalgoorlie where there first born James Seddon CHARTERIS arrived 9th August 1905. When his parents returned with him to NZ (they had been on holiday in Australia), they had three more children, Arthur Joseph CHARTERIS b 1907 - 1978, Walter Bruce CHARTERIS b 10 November 1910 - 16th October 1983 and Florence (Floss) Annie CHARTERIS who married Ralph CHURCH.
Now going back to a little more information about the first CHARTERIS brothers who left Scotland.
Three brothers, David CHARTERIS, George CHARTERIS and Tom CHARTERIS were amongst the early settlers in New Zealand. Another brother, William CHARTERIS settled in Canada. He was a brilliant surgeon who was knighted for his work. George was said to have been a policeman and accidentally had his hand blown off while he was trying to catch fish using explosives. Tom had been banished from England to America and then to New Zealand over a bet, when he said he would put his foot on the carriage of Queen Victoria, which he did, causing outrage. David was highly educated and he also came out to New Zealand from England and managed a large sheep station.
He liked to drink smoked a pipe. He was a heavy drinker until he had to be rescued from the hotel where he was sick, and feeling ashamed, gave the liquor away. David Charteris married Esther Fantham who had sailed to New Zealand on one of the first four sailing ships to that country.
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nessi_c on 2011-07-14 08:32:00Just sent you a message. Done a bit more research. Your Great Grandfather is my Great Great Grandfather. His son, David John is my Great Grandfather and their son John Alfred (Jack) is my Poppa :)
Kothstein on 2012-01-21 14:55:53My great-grandmother was Agnes Charteris b. 1853 Corsua. When Robert and Agnes came over from Scotland they also brought Robert's mother, Margaret Anderson Duncanson. They came to Glencoe, Ontario, Canada and had a farm there. When the Canadian government decided to build a railroad track through the middle of it, they moved to Harbor Beach, Michigan where they cleared the land for another farm. Duncansons still own the farm. There is a book about the Charteris family titled, "Charteris of Amisfield It's Cadets and Cognate Branches" by R.C. Reid. A cousin of mind found it in a bookstore in Scotland decades ago. I found a copy at the Family History Library of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Salt Lake City, UT. I am not sure how Agnes connects to this book. My mother's cousin, Gerald Duncanson has done extensive research (his brother still lives on the Duncanson farm) and knows much more than I. I hope this helped somehow. If I can do more, I would like to try. I am now working on this Charteris connection.
kered on 2012-09-21 11:25:27My ggg Grandmother Marrion Charteris b 1810 d 1894 in Dunscore Dumfriesshire and married to John Edgar b 1796 d 1864 from Dunscore. Marrion Father was John Charteris and married to Elizabeth McKie I two got no furtherthan that yet this might be of no use to your research if you have or get a conection to a John or Marrion please keep in tuch derek
dianejordan on 2013-05-01 19:26:28Hi, my birth name is: Diane frances Charteris b.30.08 1945 wgtn New Zealand My dad was Robert Gordon Charteris d.o.b. 1925, NZ, his dad Gordon Howitt Charteris d.o.b. 17.04 1899 New Zealand, his dad Charles Robert Charteris d.o.b. 07.09.1873 his dad David Charteris d.o.b. 28.06.1843 Johnston parish, Dumfries Scotland,Married to Esther Bertha Fantham d.o.b.19.07.1848 Ellesberd wendover Buckinghamshire.
David Charteris's parents were, James Charteris and Helen Bell Dumries Scotland.
Is this what you are looking for. Esther fantham an David Charteris?
deerfiledmomNJ on 2013-08-07 18:04:26William was a surgeon educated at the University of Edinburgh. He was still practicing medicine as of the 1911 England census. His wife was identified on his son William's New York City, United States marriage license as Eliza Currey. William identified his father as Dr. William Charteris, born in Scotland. On the 1861 England census, he is a medical student lodging in Edinburgh. On the 1851 census, he's at home with all the siblings you have mentioned.
Gerald_Duncanson on 2014-06-14 12:01:03A Note of interest:
My aunt, Joann Phail Duncanson Davis, relayed to me in a conversation many years ago before she Passed away, The conversation was about a visitor to the farm at Harbor Beach in early 1900s..The visitor, a brother of Agnes (Joann's mother)was on a world tour. He ( I assume was William) was described as a man with a short clipped mustache with his wife.(No Name mentioned). They left their son with his Aunt (Agnes) for a short time while they traveled to some convention ? Joann described the son as a "detestable" little boy, and was glad when the parents came back to retrieve him.. Joann was born in 1885, and this would have happened abt 1910 ?
deerfiledmomNJ on 2014-10-08 10:46:34It would have head to a been a grandson that they brought with them as William's son William was already living with his family outside Buffalo and in 1907 F.R. was working at sugar & produce planations in British Malaya
SharonGervasi on 2020-10-09 11:20:28I descend from the Thomas that went to NZ. I did have his father as Francis Richard Charteris 1818-1914 from smart searches on My Heritage but it appears from this information that is wrong and his father is James Charteris b 1786 married to Helen Bell 1816-1917. I have army records that show a Thomas Francis Lovegrove Charteris b 1886-1966 served in the NZ army in the Boer War and was a reservist in the 1918 war, his Father is listed on the Army records as a Thomas Charteris. So if the Corsua Thomas's parents were James and Helen I have records showing James's parents were John Charteris 1758-1832 m Jane Bryden 1766-1831. I have the Charteris Family Book published 1937 which shows the family tree to early 1600's where the family branched into B - the direct line retaining titles, C descendants of Robert of Kelwood and then for William of Auchenstrowane from whom came the infamous Francis Charteris. It is this line I believed Thomas descended from. However if his parents were James and Helen, I cannot tie them anywhere within the family lineage. Does anyone know who the father of John Charteris 1758-1832 was?