Help full I am a grandson of James Collier McIlroy, I first lived on the homestead of these McIlroys That is near the Pa of Ngai-Taharora 1 Appreciate your incite Chulufox my name is John David.

Kia ora John David. Which one of Papa Jim and Nanny Mere's children is your father? I am the grandson of Mereana, sister to Papa Jim, who married Hokimate Fox. My father was Tom Fox and I have been researching our whanau since just before dad passed away in 2003. He was very heavily involved in whakapapa/genealogy but was very reluctant to pass on any information to me as he was "old school" where his knowledge would be passed on to who he determined was the "true" recipient. I may have forced him into his grave by carrying on without his help, but I did have the support of his, at the time, 2 surviving sisters and quite a few of the extended whanau.I am always willing to meet my McIlroy whanau and have made contact with the European/Pakeha side late last year and have been encouraged by information from them that has added quite a bit of information on the McIlroy descendants from Ireland. In fact, the information has cleared up some issues my cousins and I have had in regards to where the original McIlroy family came from. Anyway, any information you'd be willing to share from the Maori or the Pakeha lines would be appreciated.
I lookm forward to hearing from you.
Chulu.

My dad is Byan Henry Dewes and mother Ema Teatarau nee McIlroy both of Waipiro Bay. Kiora Chulu, I came back to to live on the coast 1991 I met Uncle tom one morning at Oraka wool shed sad to disturb him ,when he said come on , I noticed him get out of bed and uncock his shot gun.Yes he knew some turbulent times.Regarding one called Dud Dud we became good friends He was a class mate of my mum at waiomatini school, I was working as a electrical contractor then and so Du Du and I saw each other often. What I Know is the spoken accounts are indeed some thing that is valuable to the listener Though my not be verified by history . I have a intense interest in all I see From home.The wars and recent wars In New Zealand In particular the fact that a lot of verbal history is not in print and should not be . I am particularly looking at Aku aku,.When my Friend north of Hikuranga kamo says His house isnt on his historic Papakainga in waima valley Kaikohe , be cause of a so and so down my way Ngati pouro ,Im silent because I know He is Right . In fact My Great grand father Maraki a tohunga in geneology was emloyed by Ngata to facititate the consolodation of NewZealand Maori land. with that , the all of Maoridom where Adversely misplaced .There may exceptions for a few.I dont fret about this nor events that did occur,sadly when Ropata Made his Allegence to The Queen Victoria and N. Goverment.I think strategically as amiltary man he was correct in his conduct .as a christen moralist he may go to the Hage ,if you can follow. Regardless it happened and in time only versions of the truth will be left. Ill leave you Know Aunt my solar Powers used up Hence no spell check Bye.

Kia ora ano John David. Thanks for your reply. I understand the points you raise and I do realise that what happened in our history has caused a lot of debate, I can almost understand why some decisions were made, and contribute to what we "have" now. I consider the "other" possibilities if we hadn't taken the "deal" we ended up with. Like you, I don't dwell on what happened but appreciate what happened. It'll never be a happy ending but I suppose if we remember what happened and why, we might ba able to find some solace somewhere. Dad was a bit of an "old fogie" in that respect too which I believe is why he wouldn't openly give me any of our whakapapa. That honour was meant for my older brother Wi Paku or Boxie. Some books that Dad gave him, he has let me see. But he's also encouraged me to continue on my journey and with that support, I've been carrying on with my quest to get our whakapapa on paper. Some of my research has meant I've had to look at historical events to give me a clearer view of what happened and why. Those times have made me look at our whakapapa from a different perspective and appreciate the korero that I have our whanau. When I first started this journey, I mistakenly thought that the whanau would tell me who was who and so on! Nah,I was at down and given a korero about the time that surrounded that particular whanau member. I have to admit that after that very first korero, I had a totally different outlook on our whakapapa. The story is an integral part of the who, where they born, the conditions they lived under and the reasons why things were done a certain way. On each of my visits home, I have a compulsory visit to see Dad, have a gloat about the inforamtion I'm getting and then ask for some inspiration from him as to who would be the best person to seek information. Not successful every time but sometimes I get a sudden "feeling" that I should go in a certain direction to get a certain result! I question my sanity sometimes but when I get a breakthough, I cherish the result and look forward to the next challenge! Anyway, better go for now, keep in touch and I hope we can meet up for an exchange of information.
Chulu.

Hi Chulu

I am the granddaughter of Hoana Babbington, and grand niece of Pat McIlroy. I spent a lot of time with Uncle Pat and Aunty Kath in Takanini in the 60's and 70's, but had far less contact with my paternal grandmother, as she continued to live down in Gisborne.

I have a fairly detailed family tree of the Babbington's compiled by my older sister, if that is of interest to you.

Regards

Kia Ora cousin Chulu...we met at the Archives one day over a coffee to discuss the McIlroy whakapapa...Well I am finally doing it, i am heading off to county Armagh in 7 weeks time to walk the streets of our tupuna...really excited about this journey to see where our GGGGrand parents came from...and to have a look around Ireland etc. I think its about 10 days all up that i am spending in Ireland some of which is Dublin but most of it in Armagh...cant wait. I wonder if we still have bloodlines there even in Nanny Ellens family line...must look in to that

Kia ora Ray, I'm feeling excited for US!! Enjoy the journey, there MUST be some bones still in Mullaghbrack.
Kia ora Alpina. I remember Nanny Joan very well. I would be really appreciative to receive ANY whakapapa you have. I've also been quite interested to get any information on Papa Pat and Nanny Kath. Any information on them would be appreciated. In return, I'll send you both, the latest updates on the whakapapa I have. Just email me: chulufox@bigpond.net.au and I'll snail-mail a copy to you. By the way, do you both realise that a Ferris reunion is planned for January 2018 at Te Kiekie Marae? The Ferris side is connected through nanny Raiha Porourangi McIlroy who married a Ferris... but Ray SHOULD know that!! Just chuckling cozzy! Otherwise, contact me on Facebook under Te Ratoru Fox. Look forward to catching up.