Hello there ...

I have this for you :)

James Hoare Kenny married Elizabeth Curtin in NEW ZEALAND, 1863.

Registration is: 1863/628 ... the groom is listed [in Aug 2014] as "Sup Vol 1" ... I would think this indicates that they haven't yet finished transcribing.

Hope that helps :) ...

Austin James Kenny is a "connected" person to me:
He is the Paternal grandfather of the wife of the half 1st cousin once removed of me.

As to the other children ... Elizabeth and James were married as you now know in 1863, Elizabeth was already 30 by then; there were six children in total, 3 sons, 3 daughters; I only have 2 sons and Susan.

I have a question for you ... if you can help me ... How then, does {Sister} Elizabeth Kenny fit into the picture ... I can't find any links in her genealogy that connect to these Kenny's ... ?
Kind regards,



by SafeBoy on 2014-08-31 10:54:22
Addendum:

Elizabeth, aka Margaret Elizabeth, wasn't NZ born. She was "one of the earliest settlers in the Waikato, and has been in the colony upwards of fifty years."

Cheers.

Hi SafeBoy,

Thanks for your email. It may help to explain why I have yet to receive the marriage certificate for Elizabeth Curtin and James Hoare Kenny. (I ordered it in February, but it still hasn't arrived.)

It is incredibly difficult finding out the names and numbers of the children James and Elizabeth had just by searching on the BDM NZ site. From information available on Papers Past I have uncovered six possible children, as well. A further complication is that the surname changed from Canny to Kenny at some point. We found out that James was unable to write, so the two versions of the spelling may be phonetic.

James Hoare Kenny (Canny) was a private in the 2nd Regiment of the Waikato Militia when he married Elizabeth.

Their first child, a daughter named Eliza, was born in 1867, followed by my grandfather Thomas Gilbert Kenny (but registered as Thomas Michael Canny for some unknown reason) on 7 July 1866. Thomas died in Sydney, Australia, of stomach cancer on 1 July 1919.

Could you give a few more details it might help in the search

Do you have a copy of your mothers birth certificate?? Does it give details of her parents, fathers occupation marriage date etc.

I tried to find the death of Thomas Kenny for the date 1 April 1918 but couldn't find one in the NSW BMD, did he die somewhere else.

NSW.BDM DEATHS 4535/1919 CANNY THOMAS M JAMES ELIZABETH SYDNEY

Hi SafeBoy,

Sorry - I left to check some facts, which may help to clarify some of asheppard's queries as well.

James and Elizabeth seem to have had 7 children, although I cannot confirm this via the BDM NZ site. They are: Austin James, born in 1865 (he died in 1915, aged 49); Thomas Gilbert (registered as Thomas Michael Canny) born in 1866; Eliza (Canny) born in 1867; Edmund (?)and possibly Francis born around 1870; Susan Cecilia born in 1871.

Thomas Gilbert Kenny can be found on the NSW BDM site, but under his registered name of Thomas Michael Canny. The newspaper notification of his death incorrectly has him as Thomas Michael Kenny. He died on 1 April 1919, in the Sisters of Mercy Hospice adjoined to St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney. Possibly due to the large number of deaths from the Spanish Flu at that time, he was buried in Rookwood Cemetery, under his registered name of Thomas Michael Canny.

Thomas Kenny was a butcher. He married Harriet Connor, in Dunedin, NZ. Harriet was born there. Thomas was born in Timaru.

With regard to Sister Elizabeth Kenny: she must be related through the Kenny line somehow. She visited my mother, Doreen Mavis Kenny (known as Mavis) in Sydney on numerous occasions, and was known as Aunt Elizabeth to my mother.

James Kenny's first son, Austin James Kenny, was also a butcher, who set up a successful butcher's shop in the Paddington Five Ways, Sydney, Australia, in the 1890s, I think. He later had some financial trouble or other problems, which may have led to his premature death in 1915.

Austin James married Mary Connolly and had four children, from what I can find. His first son was also named Austin, born in 1895. I think he also died in 1895, but need to confirm that. The second son was Thomas James Bede Kenny, born in 1896; followed by Ellen Berenece in 1889; and lastly Edward in 1909.

Thomas James Bede Kenny, known as Bede, was my mother's first cousin, and the families were very proud of the fact that Bede Kenny won the VC in WWI.

So the lines of the families that contain Austin James, Bede and Sister Elizabeth Kenny must all be related.

I don't have any photos of the Kenny's, but I did a bit of research last night, and Sister Elizabeth Kenny's youngest brother was also a tall, strapping young man like Bede, and received an honourable mention for tossing the Turks on his bayonet at Gallipoli. I'll confirm his name.

Buried in the Catholic Cemetery Rookwood:
Canny Thomas M 51 03/04/1919 SEC*M2*5**42 Burial

Thomas James Bede Kenny

Sister Elizabeth Kenny

Hi again,

Sister Elizabeth Kenny's youngest brother who tossed the Turks on his bayonet, was called William Harold Kenny, born in 1887.

Does anyone have any photos of Austin James or Thomas Gilbert, or even Susan Ceilia? I would love to see anything you might have. :-)

Thans for your links, janilye. :-)

Hi SafeBoy,

BSM NZ can't find the marriage certificates for James Hoare Kenny and Elizabeth Curtin, even with the references provided. The information they have is a notice of intention to marry, so they can't complete my request.

Do you happen to have any information as to which church they were married in, or any other evidence that the marriage took place, as this would help trace the certificates?

Kind regards,

Gx

BDM NZ confirmed that they do not have any trace of a marriage certificate and suggested that I search the church records. So that's my next step.

They also confirmed that the marriage intention notice was between James Canny and Elizabeth Curtin, so at least we know which name to search under.

Hi SafeBoy,

Couple of years since anyone has posted.

20 years since I did my research on the Canny family.

Back then I had no problems getting a marriage certificate for James Hoare Canny to Elizabeth Curtin.


James always went by the name Canny,while he was fighting in the Maori wars,and when he was living in Kihikihi.

It Wasnt Until he moved to Gisborne and then Timaru that he went by Kenny.

By the way James Hoare and Elizabeth married at the registrar office in Invercargill 14 November 1863.

December 25 1865 Two of James Hoare sisters Bridget Age 20 and Johanna age 18 arrived In NZ aboard the Gala from Ballinalacken Doolin.
Sponsored by James Canny.

Applicants of the bond
James Canny,Martin Curtin and Thomas ONeil.

Unfortunately no more was heard of Johanna in NZ.

She definitely arrived,no deaths were recorded on the Gala..

Cheers

Hi again you guys,

I was surprised to see nobody had mentioned James Hoare Canny and Elizabeth Curtins child Margaret .

Margaret was born in 1869 and died 28 November 1870,of Sunstroke,age 13 months.

James Hoare Canny had 6 sisters in NZ. Mary, Bridget, Johanna, Susan, Catherine,and, Margaret.
They also had a brother Thomas who stayed on the farm at Poulnagun.

When they mention Poulnagun Ballinalacken,and Lisdoonvarna,it's all the same area within about 2 miles.Lisdoonvarna would be the town area,while the others were farmland.

Ballinalacken Castle is just a short walk to the old Canny Cottage.

My wife is a Grt Grandaughter of Susan.

Also we have a great photo of James Canny's sister Catherine taken at her marriage to Robert Swayne in 1877.

Cheers

Hi,James Hoare Canny had 3 other daughters not listed on this site.

Margaret who I mentioned in my last post.

Elizabeth Amelia born 1876 ,married Humphrey Geaney,and died 1906 and


Mary ,born 30 November 1867.
Mary married Thomas Joseph Burns and lived in Timaru. Thomas died 9 October 1911 and was buried in the Timaru Cemetery.

James Hoare Kenny died 20 May 1909 in Timaru .His death Certificate said he had 3 sons and 2 daughters liVing.

James Hoare Canny is the son of Michael Canny and Mary Hoare Poulnagun Ballinalacken County Clare
Michael was born 1808 and died in Ballinalacken 21 September 1886.
Mary was born 1817 and died 3 May 1892 age 75 in poulnagun.

Thomas the brother of James Hoare died in Poulagun 22 January 1903.
Cheers