MORE GENEALOGY FOR THE GIBSON FAMILY OF "GLENHOLM", DROMANA, VIC., AUST.
I have previously written a journal about the Gibson of Dromana who became a Kiwi, master mariner John Gibson, brother of Walter of Glenholm. It may be that Walter's son, Walter James, was living with his uncle John's family when he died in 1943. The other main focus of this journal is Walter's son John who became a policeman and had a sad end. During my research, I discovered Albert Gibson, son of Adam Gibson and Mary Ann, nee McLear, who (like Walter James) was not mentioned in A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA. Keryn McLear explained why his death was not recorded in Victorian BDM.
WALTER JAMES GIBSON.
GIBSON.-On August 3. at Masterton. New Zealand. Walter James, second youngest son of the late Walter and Martha Gibson, of Glenholm, Dromana. (P.2, Argus, 28-8-1943.)
The list of Walter and Margaret Gibson's children on page 82 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA is wrong. Walter Jnr,, in fact Walter James, born in 1870, is missing. I believe the above death notice is wrong unless Walter James Gibson b. 1870 married a woman named Martha and then had a son named Walter James.
The sons of Walter and Margaret Gibson listed on the said page 82 are Adam 1854-1937, John, Big Will 1868-1949 and Tom. Their father's death notice in 1916 listed his sons as " Adam, William, Walter, Thomas."
Thomas William Balantine Gibson was born in 1872.
John was indeed Walter and Margaret's second son, according to this marriage notice.
GIBSON—CLYNE.—On the 23rd inst, at the residence of the bride's parents, Fairy Bower, Lake Rowan, by the Rev. C. Thomson, John, second son of Walter Gibson, Glenholm, Dromana, to Ellie, eldest daughter of George Clyne, Fairy Bower, Lake Rowan.(P.1, Argus, 31-5-1882.
So why couldn't I find his birth record? Not even recorded as Jno.
The reason he was not listed in his father's death notice is that he died, aged 53 in 1912 (reg. no.10419.) John would have been born in 1858-9 but I still couldn't find his birth record.
As Big Will was born in 1868, Walter James in 1870 (reg. no. 8296) and Thomas in 1872 (reg. no.8472), that would make Walter James the SECOND YOUNGEST SON of the late Walter and MARGARET, (nee Purdie) Gibson, not MARTHA.
Walter James could not have been the son of Adam Gibson's son Walter. As no Walter James Gibson died in Victoria between 1870 and 1970, it looks as if the chap who died in New Zealand in 1943 was the son of Walter and MARGARET Gibson.
POSTSCRIPT 8-4-2017. Walter James Gibson was the fourth son of Walter and Margaret Gibson which meshes with the statement (in his death notice at the start of the journal) that he was their second youngest son.
WALTER JAMES GIBSON'S MARRIAGE (NOT MENTIONED IN HIS DEATH NOTICE WHICH WRONGLY CALLED HIS MOTHER MARTHA INSTEAD OF MARGARET!)
GIBSON-HUTCHINSON.-On the 27th December,1899, at Wadella, Lilydale, by the Rev. J. R.Anderson, M.A., - Walter James, fourth son of Walter Gibson, "Glenholm," Dromana, to Sarah,second daughter of the late John Hutchinson,
Lilydale.(P.55, The Australasian, 3-2-1900.)
THE MARRIAGE RECORD.
EventMarriage Event registration number7133 Registration year1899
Personal information
Family nameGIBSON Given namesWalt Jas SexUnknown Spouse's family nameHUTCHINSON Spouse's given namesSarah Eliza
Victoria BDM does not list any children born to Walter James and Sarah from 1900 to 1910 or a death record for a Sarah Gibson(nee Hutchinson)between 1900 and 1940, so it is likely that Walter and Sarah had moved to N.Z. soon after their marriage. Victoria was still suffering from depression.
ALMOST CERTAINLY THE DEATH RECORD OF SARAH'S FATHER.
EventDeath Event registration number4690 Registration year1880
Personal information
Family nameHUTCHINSON Given namesJno SexUnknown Father's nameWm Mother's nameSarah (Waddel) Place of birthANTRIM Place of death Age54 Spouse's family nameSTANTON Spouse's given namesElizth
JOHN HUTCHINSON'S DEATH NOTICE.
Hutchinson -On the 3rd inst., suddenly, at Lillydale,John Hutchinson, aged 54. A colonist of 27 years standing. Deeply regretted. He died in peace. (P.1, Argus, 9-4-1880.)
EARLY DEATH OF JOHN GIBSON'S WIFE.
EventDeath Event registration number10419 Registration year1912
Personal information
Family nameGIBSON Given namesJno SexUnknown Father's nameGibson Walter Mother's nameMargt (Purdie) Place of birth Place of deathHoth E Age53
EventDeath Event registration number8554 Registration year1892
Personal information
Family nameGIBSON Given namesEllen SexFemale Father's nameClyne Geo Mother's nameCath (Finlayson) Place of birth Place of deathWheip Age33
On the marriage record, Ellie's name was given as Helen.
If John became a policeman, bearing in mind that he died at Hoth.E, which could mean Hotham East, Hotham being the original name of North Melbourne, he might have been the ex senior constable John Gibson who was a terrible drunkard and died at Errol St, North Melbourne in 1912, the death widely reported in the papers. If this senior constable was our John, the death of his wife only 10 years after they married, may have made him hit the grog.
John Clyne Gibson was born at Dromana in 1884 (reg. no.2056), Evelyn was born at (PA NM?) in 1885 (reg. no.4960), Catherine Ruby Ellen in 1886 at PANM (reg. no.12729), George Walter at Panmure in 1888 (reg. no.5472), Ellie Margaret in 1890 at Panmure (reg. no.6377), and David Wallace at Barkstead in 1892 (reg. no.859.)
PANMURE is ENE of Warrnambool.
BARKSTEAD is 5 km west of the Ballan-Daylesford road.
WARRENHEIP is a suburb of Ballarat.
It looks as if it was our John who died at North Melbourne. Panmure news mentions Constable Gibson and J.Gibson in 1888, the year that George Walter was born there.
By the way, Keryn McLear, Adam Gibson and Mary Ann, nee McLear, had a son, Albert, born 1890 (reg. no. 12173) who is not mentioned on page 82 of Colin's book. I CAN'T FIND HIS DEATH RECORD BETWEEN 1890 AND 1992.*
POSTSCRIPT. This birth notice would make it almost certain that John Gibson was the ex senior constable who died at Errol St., North Melbourne in 1912. The daughter would have been Catherine Ruby Ellen.
GIBSON.— On the 16th May, at the police station, Panmure, the wife of J. Gibson of a daughter. (P.1, The Age, 21-5-1886.)
I wondered what had become of John and Ellen's children after their mother's death in 1892.
John Clyne apparently didn't marry (in Victoria) and died aged 85 at Sandringham in 1968 (reg. no. 17510.)
Evelyn Rutherford Purdie married Alex Hamilton KIRKLAND in 1915 (reg. no.11160.) She died aged 84 at Black Rock in 1969 (reg. no.11781.)
Catherine Ruby Ellen married Alfred George Merritt in 1914 (Reg. no. 5067.) She died, aged 69 at Rainbow in 1956 (reg. no. 23930.)
David Wallace died aged 60 at Thornbury in 1952 (reg. no. 10560.)
Strangely his place of birth was given as Wallan on the death record. He does not seem to have married.
KERYN McLEAR'S EXPLANATION OF WHY ALBERT'S DEATH DID NOT APPEAR IN VICTORIAN BDM.
Albert b 13 or 25 Mar 1889/1890 was killed in France Sept 6 1918. No children. From his War Record: he was a clerk, single, born in Dromana. he was 5'9" tall, 149lb, chest 35 1/2 to 37 1/2". Fresh complexion, blue eyes, light brown hair. Presbyterian. Wounded in France 26/03/1917: gunshot wound to left arm, severe. Wounded second occasion: 02/09/1918: gunshot wound to neck and spine, died of wounds received in action. Buried at St Sever Cemetery, Rouen, Block R, Plot 2, Row S. Very sad story.
on 2017-03-19 03:54:58
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