Hi

The Southee family connect to my Sankey family by marriage. I have never tried to sort out the Southees - lots of them and all called by the same names.

However, I think Richard may be a brother to Ellen Sarah Southee, b 1819 Bekesbourne. According to her story "Ellen", written by her granddaughter E M Almedingen. After the death of Ellen's mother her father gambled away all his money and went abroad with the younger children (Caroline, Ellen, Martha and John. Ellen married Serge Poltoratzky, a Russian nobleman - so this may account for the Russian connection.

There are doubts as to how accurate the account of Ellen's early days are. I picked up a second hand copy on the net.

I also have John's wife as Mary Brice. Their marriage licence dated 3 Sep 1800 on Ancestry says John Southee of Ash, yeo, bach, & Mary Brice of Patrixbourne, sp, (22)at Patrixbourne.

Regards

Sue

Thank you Sue,

You can see some of what I have been trying to sort out by clicking the links: Edith Martha von Almedingen

The John Southee I am sorting out, thanks to some direct descendants in the UK and OZ is this John Southee from Bekesbourne who married Mary Brice. His parents were Thomas and Elizabeth (nee Marsh) Southee.

As you will see I only have one child of theirs at the moment, Richard Southee who married Martha Hatfield, because it all takes time and research but it will be added to ...

Please feel free to read what I have and if you can add further help I would be most grateful

Hi,
Dr. Richard Southee is buried in the Maryborough Cemetery, Maryborough, Victoria, Aust. I have a photo of his grave.

Below- Taken from The Lancet Yr 1842, page 895 left side. Heading CHANCRE IN THE URETHRA (Digitized by Google)
London, 15 May 1826
In 1826, he was recommended "to the patronage of the chief medical officer of the Russian army, as a gentleman highly qualified to perform his duty as a surgeon, and anxiously desirous of obtaining the approbation of his superiors" by his tutor in surgery Dr. Astley Cooper - soon to be Sir Astley Cooper.
Dr. Southee went on to serve the Russian Army as a surgeon.

It is probable that through this association with Russia that he had his son, Richard Brice, christened in St Petersburg.

Regards,
Richard of OZ

Further
Martha Amelia was disabled - a "limp" as the result of an illness, possibly polio.
In later life she was involved in a "breach of promise" case against H. W. GARRETT conducted at the Spring Assizes, Norfolk Circuit, Cambridge, March 16 before the Chief Baron and a Special Jury.

"The jury then found a verdiict, under his Lordship's direction, for the plaintiff for 300 pounds".

In Monday, March 19th 1849 edition of "The Times" London newspaper. Issue 20127, pg 7, Column A.

Regards,
Richard of OZ

thank you so much samsozkin,
this is most helpful ...
wonder what that breach of promise was about ???

Generally the phrase 'breach of promise' correlates to an affianced person breaking a promise of marriage.

John Southee and Mary Brice are not linked to the Southee's Johns Parents were James and Susanna Harnett from Ash Kent John died 1858 in Woodnesborough Kent England. John and Mary did have a Richard Southee but he lived and died in Ash Kent. He is from the Southee line you all have but not as you have linked him
regards Sue of England

thank you very much susan,
hope this helps some 'sort out' the family lines

Dr Richard Southee was educated at Kings School Canterbury before going on to train at the London Hospital qualifying in 1824 and then onto become a Licentiate of the academy of medicine in St Petersburg 1828. He appears in the 1851 census as a surgeon in Cambridge before emigrating to Victoria australia.
Kings School records show that he was there definitely in 1817 and 1818. they recrd his parents as John and Mary of Goldestone Court, parish of Ash in Kent. I am fairly sure John is connected with thomas of Beckesbourne, and if you look at the property records for Cobham Court in Beckesbourne and goldestone court Ash, you will see that there was to-ing and fro-ing between the family. this is supported by inscriptions on tombstones in Beckesbourne churchyard.

There is another family with a father and son named John southee wh were in the nearby village of Littlebourne.

My research indicates that these had a common ancestor John Southee of Ickham who had three sons John, Thomas and William between 1716-1722. The descendants ende up as bakers in Canterbury and farmers in Littlebourne and Beckesbourne/Ash.

Starshot.

One correction on Sue's comment above. John son of James, was a gardener and not in a position to send a child to a prestigious school such as Kings School Canterbury. the probate administrtion papers show that this John had a daughter Elizabeth wife of William Brown, a miller. His son john was a carpenter and pre-deceased him in 1839. there was possibly a third child James, but I have not noted my source for that information.

there were two Richard Southees around at much the same time. Richard 1804 son of john and Mary nee Brice of Ash, and his cousin Richard Southee who was born at Beckesbourne son of Thomas and Elizabeth Southee f Beckesbourne, born c1795. He carried on the Southee's farming business at Goldestone but was virtually put out of business by the swing riots. the mob broke into his farm and broke up his threshing machines. There are some interesting contemporary newspaper articles and a little booklet that describe the incident and the subsequent trial. Starshot

Can anyone help sort out the John Southee line I have him married to Mary Brice but in the book "Ellen" she describes her mother as from Devonshire and puts in facts about smugglers in Devon Mary had seen. Because the children seem to be various ages and a gap between 1809 and 1815 did the first Mary die and he later remarried.Sue