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As the information would not submit in the post or as a comment under it, thank goodness for Ancient Faces.

O'BRIEN.--At her residence. Digger's Rest, Mary, daughter of the late Michael and Margaret Bourke, beloved sister of Kate (Mrs. Kane), James, Margaret (Mrs. Leyden*), Bridget (Mrs Connell), Michael and John (all deceased), born at Glengyle, Keilor*, 17th October, 1847. R.I.P. (P.15, The Age, 5-6-1937.)

*This location seems to be a correction of a mistake made on 31-5-1937 in The Age and The Argus. There was no "Glengyle" in Kilmore, the only result for "Glengyle,Kilmore" was in those two 31-5-1937 notices.

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Family Notices - The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954)Monday 31 May 1937 - Page 1
... Glengyle, Kilmore, 17th October, 1847. R.I.P. O'BRIEN. — On the29th May, at her residence. Diggers' Rest ... 841 words
Text corrected by 4 Voluntroves
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Family Notices - The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957)Monday 31 May 1937 - Page 1
... ), Bridget (Mrs Connell), Michael and John (all dcccascd) born at Glengyle Kilmore 17th October 1847 -R I P ... 5237 words



* HO210 Former Leyden Building 670 Sunbury Road, Bulla (https://hdp-au-prod-app-hcc-participate-files.s3.ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/6916/9076/3114/4bc4464ab6b231a69b401bca3231beff_C266_Factsheet_and_list_of_affected_places.pdf )

MARY'S BIRTH RECORD (VICTORIAN BDM ONLINE)
BOURKE Mary Ann Birth
mother: Margaret nee MURPHY father:BOURKE Michael
place of birth:GLANGILE*, 1847, 41840/1847

The VicBDM typists make many transcription errors, but I believe the error in this case was the registrar doing his best to turn what he had heard (the property's name) into written form.

Glengyle was section 1, parish of Tullamarine. Enter this (in bold type) into your search bar to access the parish map.
https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-232027662/view

Section 1 was one of only a few portions of the parish alienated before the 1843 depression. Richard Hanmer Bunbury, a retired Naval man, may have been a friend of the next owner and soon transferred the title to him.

MORE ABOUT GLENGYLE LATER.
Young Emperor was shown at the Cirencester
Agricultural Meeting in 1842, and then gained
the prize as the best two-year-old Cart Stallion,
and now travel in place of his sire, imported to
this Colony.
This celebrated Cart Horse will stand this
season at the low price of Three Guineas each
Mare, at A. Campbell's, Esq., near Keilor, and
at the station of J. Bathe, Eq., Western Port.
Mares will be received at Kirk's Bazaar every
Friday, and forwarded to the Horse free of ex-
pense. (P.3, Port Phillip Gazette,11-9-1844.)

THE CAMPBELLFIELD SHINTY MATCH. (3-7-1850) link-https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4770349
The sports finished, the company adjourned to Messrs Barber and Lowe's mill, which the proprietors had kindly placed at the disposal of the Stewards, where an ample cold collation, provided by Mr. Yewers. the confectioner in Elizabeth street, awaited their attention, and was done ample justice to under the admirable presidency of Colin Campbell, Esq. of Glengyle.

Others owning portions of the Glengyle Estate in the early 1850's were A. and J. Guthrie and Thomas Bertram (after whom Bertram's ford,near the east end of Browns Rd and the present Arundel Bridge) was named.

It seems that at the time of Mary's birth, her parents were working for the Campbell family.


DIGGERS REST.
This area acquired its name because of Caroline Chisholm. As many women had no choice but to follow their husband to the diggings. Caoline had shelters built near the site of the Essendon railway bridge, just over the Maribyrnong in Keilor Village
(Melway 14 K7), and- in the north east half of Melway354 H2) etc. to provide them with a modicum of privacy and comfort.

I thought that Mary's father would have been the Michael Bourke who built the Manchester Hotel at The Gap but the report of this man's Golden Wedding https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/70070479 states that he did not arrive until 12-9-1853.)
He probably had nothing to do with Mary's move to Diggers Rest.

However, many years ago I read an article about an O'Brien family (linked with John Daly) who settled near the site of the Sunbury Pops Festival and I will endeavour to find it.

From the DILLON entry in my DICTIONARY HISTORY OF BULLA journal.
"The deceased's hat was found about five chains down the stream and next morning the carcase of the horse, was washed to O'Brien's ford,...."

The O'Briens had two properties of which I'm aware, Craigllachie and Glencoe. Craigllachie was east of Loemans Rd and fronted Deep Creek just north of the ford connecting with Mansfields Rd in Tullamarine. They had inherited their "Glencoe" from John Daly,the grantee; it was just east of the Page "Glencoe" pre-emptive right and O'Brien's Ford was most likely the Batey/Page ford whose location was within the Holden Flora and Fauna Reserve in Melway 352 J2.

Amongst those who have worked very hard and lent great assistance in the search were: Messrs, J. Duncan, C.M'Kenzie, J. White, M. O'Brien, T.O'Brien, J. Cahill, C. Honan, J. Phelan, M. O'Brien, J. Cahill jun., M. Leyden, J. Scannell, Fannings (2), Reddan (2),Mi'Leod, J. Murphy, Fuller, G. Gillon,M. Allen, C. Taylor, Bell (2),Byrne, Forbes (2).

UNDER TULLAMARINE ISLAND FARMS.
12 A Craigllachie (pronounced craig el ockie) or Deep Valley.
My Tullamarine Parish map gives the names of grantees and the dates on which grants were issued. Surprisingly, I could find no mention of E.F.N.Clarke in the first series index. I had wondered about the year of issue, 36, but concluded that he was related to W.J.T.Clarke and had claimed pre-emptive right on land he had occupied in 1836. While I was talking with Henry Bedford about his time growing up on Fleetbank, I asked about occupancy of Craigllachie and his reply (that the Clarkes had been there for as long as he could remember) started me thinking. Was 36 actually 1936? I dug out a Tullamarine parish map given to me by Gary Vines of the Living Museum of the West. Apart from being handwritten rather than typed and not giving dates, it seemed at a glance identical to mine. I accepted Garys kind offer because it showed the locations of four squatters buildings: Sherrits hut on Glenloeman, and the stations of Hunter on Arundel, Downie on Glendewar and Hall on Stewarton. It said the grantee of 12 A was John Daly. The spelling (as in the case of John Pascoe Fawker for section 7) was wrong but the information was correct.
*In her Broadmeadows History Kit, S.OCallaghan states on page 17 that Arrott (Arnott?) and Daly were bakers in Broadmeadows Township. This was probably the same J.Daly (sic?) who was granted 5H of the parish of Yuroke, of 366 acres. Today 5H in Meadow Heights and Coolaroo is indicated by the southern Norval Ave corner (south west cnr), a point 180 metres west of the weighbridge in Maffra St (south east cnr) and the east-west parts of Lightwood Cres. and Paringa Blvd (north). Presuming that the baker had bought both grants, it is reasonable to suppose that both were used to grow wheat.
That grown in Yuroke would have been milled on the site of the Pipeworks Market (Melway 7, J/10), and that grown on Craigllachie would have been sent to the mill on Lochton (Mel.111, D/4) The latter mill was opened in 1856 by Lochtons grantee, Capt. William Morrison Hunter. It was taken over in the same year by Bell Bros. with Straughans and D.R.Bain as millers. The mill was later owned by W.B.Gadd, who closed it in 1861. (Bulla Bulla P.50). That Craigllachie might be suitable for wheat growing is indicated by the fact that Michael Loeman cultivated a good deal of Glenloeman from 1850 until 1863. (Gadds mill closed 1861!)
John Daleys daughter, Mary, married Michael O'Brien. This may have been the Michael OBrien who was leasing a house in the Strathmore area from G.Urquhart in 1863. (Broadmeadows rates.)
On 16-3-1869, John Daley conveyed Craigllachie to Michael OBrien and his wife Mary:
In consideration of the natural love and affection which the said John Daley hath for his daughter, the said Mary OBrien, and for the said Michael OBrien and for divers other consideration thereunto moving.

(* See Heritage study re the Glencoe Homestead and the Diggers Rest Primary School newsletter article about John Daly, the O'Briens and the homestead in comments. As they lived on Glencoe, they leased Craigllachie to the Heagneys.)

PROBABLY ABOUT A HUNDRED COMMENTS CONTAINING INFORMATION THAT WOULD NOT SUBMIT IN THE JOURNAL. JOHN DALEY'S SON IN LAW COULD BE YET ANOTHER RED HERRING. BACK WITHIN A YEAR!

by itellya on 2013-11-12 07:35:41 (NEAR END)
History and Description:
The disused homestead stands on allotment A of Section 16 in the Parish of Holden.
This section and the surrounding area was surveyed and sold by the Crown in the early 1850s but the use and occupation of this land dates back to the earliest days of settlement in thedistrict. The land in the area was first settled on and grazed by the Page brothers who were born in Kent, England. They are said to have come to the area in early 1836, first setting down on the Deep Creek near Bulla where the Brodie brothers later set up their homestead (allotment A of Section 20 in the Parish of Bulla1), and then moving further west to settle on the south side of
Jackson's Creek. Their run at its greatest contained about 7000 acres on which they kept some7000 sheep and several horses. 2
They called the run Glencoe, which Isaac Batey (a resident in the district from 1846) described as 'an appellation that one would imagine Englishmen would not adopt'. According to an anecdote written up by Batey, Edward Page was in town drinking with fellow squatters, one of whom Batey said was 'doubtless a Scottish man'. Apparently this man asked Page the name of his run and upon receiving the reply that it had no name as yet he responded with the challenge ''Call it Glencoe and I'll stand a bottle of rum'.' According to Batey 'this was agreed to
and the station duly christened'.3
In May 1852, the Page brothers and other early settlers such as George Evans and
Martin Batey received only a months notice to take up their homestead blocks before the wealthy landowner William John Turner Clarke applied to have them put up for sale. He subsequently succeeded in purchasing much of their former leasehold pastoral land.4 The Pages' run was surveyed into sections in the Parish of Holden and sold by the Crown from 1852 onwards. The Page brothers bought their homestead block under pre-emptive right in 1855.5
This land was the 640 acres of Section 15 in the Parish of Holden, which is directly west of the location of the present Glencoe homestead. Batey described the Pages' homestead, a wattle anddaub structure, as located some 600 yards back from a cliffy edge, and slightly over a mile dueeast from Diggers Rest, which places it within this section.6
In June 1854, W.J.T. Clarke bought the 216 acres of allotment A in Section 16 for someL874. At the same time a John Daley bought the adjacent 147 acres of allotment B for someL676. John Daley was born in Co. Galway, Ireland and had arrived in the Colony in the early1840s. He married a Catherine Brehemy in Melbourne, and they had three children - Jane,Michael and Mary. In June 1857, Clarke sold his allotment to a William Speary, who in turn sold it to John Daley and his wife in March 1862. Some years earlier, in September 1856, Daley had also acquired part of allotment C; he paid the owner, Angus Ross, ?95 for an unknown number of acres (possibly about 18-20 at the approximate going rate of over ?4 per --------

VERY LONG WINDED, BUT IT HAS PROVEN THAT MICHAEL BOURKE OF THE MANCHESTER HOTEL AT THE GAP WAS NOT THE FATHER OF MARY O'BRIEN, NEE BOURKE (1847-1937) AND THAT SHE WAS NOT THE MARY WHO MARRIED MICHAEL O'BRIEN OF GLENCOE IN DUNCANS LANE.

It would have been better to find Mary's marriage instead of trying to connect her story to dim memories.

BOURKE Mary Marriage OBRIEN, Martin, 1885, 2487/1885

O'BRIEN. - On the 29th May, at her residence, Diggers Rest, Mary, wife of the late Martin O'Brien mother of William, James, and Francis, in her 90th year. - R.I.P. (P.1, The Argus, 31-5-1937.)

O'BRIEN. - At her residence, Diggers Rest,Mary, daughter of the late Michael and Margaret Bourke, beloved sister of Kate (Mrs
Kane), James, Margaret (Mrs Leyden),Bridget (Mrs Connell), Michael and John (all deceased) born at Glengyle Kilmore* 17th October 1847 -R I P. (P.1, The Argus, 31-5-1937.)
*There was no "Glengyle" in Kilmore. See start of journal. It was corrected to Keilor in The Age on 5-6-1937.

Mary's husband Martin had some bad luck at Diggers Rest, such as anthrax and a stone chip lodging in his eye.

UNABLE TO FIND BIRTH RECORDS FOR THEIR THREE SONS, WILLIAM, JAMES AND FRANCIS AND HAVING NO IDEA WHEN MARTIN DIED (SEE FIRST 31-5-1937 DEATH NOTICE JUST ABOVE) I DID A GOOGLE SEARCH FOR-
MARTIN O'BRIEN, DIGGERS REST MARRIED MARY BOURKE IN 1885, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
and on https://www.ancestry.com.au/search/collections/1093/?name=_Bourke
and found two photos, one a gravestone at Sunbury Cemetery and the other of a house with the accompanying text for each as below.
Headstone Michael Bourke, Margaret nee Murphy (Headstone) Cemetary: Sunbury Location: Sunbury cemetery
In loving memory of Michael Bourke late of Diggers Rest who died 16 Oct 1890 aged 79. Also his beloved wife Margaret Bo...
Mary Bourke (born 1847)
To save you going to the top of the journal, here's Mary's birth record again.
MARY'S BIRTH RECORD (VICTORIAN BDM ONLINE)
BOURKE Mary Ann Birth
mother: Margaret nee MURPHY father:BOURKE Michael
place of birth:GLANGILE*, 1847, 41840/1847

Martin & Mary Obrien Farmhouse (SiteBuildingPlace) Date: 1919 Location: Diggers Rest, Victoria, Australia
They grew wheat and bred horses. Original photo B&W. Mary Bourke (born 1847)

WHEN DID MARY'S HUSBAND, MARTIN O'BRIEN, DIE?
ANSWER. 21-6-1919.
THE EVIDENCE DID NOT SUBMIT, AND AS ANOTHER ADDITION ALSO FAILED TO SUBMIT, I WILL PLAY IT SAFE AND PUBLISH THE DETAILS RE MARTIN O'BRIEN'S DEATH IN COMMENT 2 UNDER THE JOURNAL.


IS THERE A DEATH NOTICE OR RECORD FOR MARY'S FATHER?
BOURKE.—On 16th Oct., at his residence, Digger's Rest, Michael Bourke, farmer, aged 79. R.I.P.
(P.2, The Bacchus Marsh Express, 15-11-1890.)

THE Friends of the late Mr. MICHAEL BOURKE
are respectfully invited to follow his remains to
the place of interment, Sunbury Cemetery.
The funeral will leave his late residence, Diggers'
Rest, THIS DAY (Friday, 17th inst.), at 1 o'clock.
JOHN DALEY, Undertaker, Latrobe and Spring
streets, Melbourne. Telephone 827. (P.1, Argus, 17-10-1890.)

Mary's 2nd oldest sibling (Start of journal) was James.
It is with much regret that I announce the death of two old residents, viz., Mr. Michael Bourke, who for a long time represented the East Riding in the Shire of Melton. Deceased was father of Cr. James Bourke. of Coimadai. He was buried at Sunbury. A large assemblage followed the remains to the place of interment. Also Mrs Beattie, wife of Cr. H. Beattie, of Mt. Aitken,who died at her residence. Mt. Aitken, on Sunday.26th ult. (P.7, The Bacchus Marsh Express, 8-11-1890.)

BOURKE Michl Death
mother: Bridtnee MCMAHON father:Jas
place of death:Sunbury, 79, 1890, 17809/1890

THOSE HOUNDS AND THEIR HOUNDS!
Paste links into your search bar to access articles.

b]https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5831579

If walking clubs decided to make their jaunts more challenging, (like Survivor) by including obstacles that already existed (such as your fences) and grudgingly accepted claims for compensation regarding damage to your fences and plants (such as a cherished rose), you just might appreciate why Edmund Dunn's brave stand against a group of powerful men led to a huge organisation* of farmers determined to defend their livelihood.
* https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/219366568

The Oaklands Hounds was established in 1888 and I have never read, or heard, of a complaint regarding their activities made by any farmers in the area. Probably because many of the members of the club, such as Alexander McCracken (Cumberland), Robert McDougall's son Sandy (Warlaby), and Alister Clark (Glenara) were local farmers.

There was a hunt club on the Mornington Peninsula too.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/138050290

The club was certainly welcome on huge estates such as Barragunda and by owners of smaller estates, such as John Crichton of Glenlee at Boneo. The Master, George McLear, was a farmer and he was annoyed when people* trespassed on his land so he would have made sure that his members did not deserve the description of hounds which was certainly apt to describe the members of the Mebourne Hunt who had invaded Edmund Dunn's farm at Tullamarine two years later.

*One of them was George's future wife!
(See Page 110, A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA)

Edmund Dunn, brother of Henry Dunn of Mornington, would have been living with Henry on Jamieson's Special Survey when he married Maria George (a fellow passenger on the ship which conveyed Edmund to the colony) in 1847. Edmund had spent five years there before buying Viewpoint (c/a 1 and 2, section 4 Tullamarine) in 1849. By 1868 he probably was also leasing Stewarton so his land consisted of about 1000 acres between the road to Broadmeadows Township and the Moonee Ponds Creek.

TUESDAY, MARCH 22.
A Gentleman's Agricultural and Family Homestead
Estate.
The Heirloom of a Family.
Near Lady Franklin's and Colonel Kenny Estates,
and adjoining the Property of P. Phelan, Esq.,
M.L.A., Parish of Doutta Galla.
MB, STUBBS is instructed by the pro-
prietors, Messrs. Wright and Crighton, to
SELL by PUBLIC AUCTION, at Bear's Auction and
Exchange Rooms, 65 Queen-street, on Tuesday,
March 22, at tnelvo o'clock precisely,
their beautiful estate of
DOUTTA LEA,
in order to close the partnership, fuller particulars
of which will appear in a future newspaper.
Total number of acres, 150, more or less. In cul-
tivation, 70 ; all fine hay-fields ; grass-paddocks, 80.
All fenced in. (P.2, Argus, 5-2-1959.)

DOUTTA GALLA PARISH MAP

Lady Franklin bought section 23 of the parish of Doutta Galla, known as St John's,the grantee returning home in shame after his corruption was exposed by J.P.Fawkner.

Eyre Evans Kenny's "Camp Hill" was at the south east corner of the parish of Tullamarine, bounded originally on the west by today's Broadmeadows Rd, but later by Bulla Rd (now Melrose Drive) and was immediately north of Lady Franklin's estate.

The Doutta Lee estate, crown allotment 22F Doutta Galla, was bounded by Parer Rd, part of Nomad Rd (originally Treadwell Rd), a line just north of Fraser St and Thomas St. It was granted to A. Wright, and James and Thomas Crighton as shown on the map.
On Melway map 15-16, the location of "Doutta Lee" is roughly 15Jj7-8 to 16 B7.


Patrick Phelan's Estate, "Spring Park" was crown allotment 17A immediately south of the western half of Doutta Lee. His co-grantee and father-in-law, Owen Connor, had returned home.

A. Wight's name was ARCHIBALD, and he and the two Crightons had been issued a deed for the 147 acres as tenants in common in 1848.

There had been a previous attempt to sell Doutta Lee in 1858. This time J.F.L. Foster and Thomas Napier are mentioned as neighbours. Mr Foster's private road which gave access from the Deep Creek road is a mystery unless the 200 yards was to the Doutta Lee homestead and it was near today's Hansen Reserve.

FRIDAY, OCTOBER 8.
Doutta Galla,
Between the Deep Creek-road and the Keilor or
Mount Aloxander-road.
Sale of a Very Valuable Farm of
One Hundred and Forty-seven and a Half Acres,
Adjoining John Leslie Vesey Foster, Esq.'s Pro-
perty, and only divided by a fence from those two
excellent Farms belonging to Messrs. Connor and
Phelan and Thomas Napier Esq.
For Positive and Absolute Sale, to Close a part-
nership.
WHEATLEY and BLISS havo been
favored with instructions from Messrs Wright
and Crighton to SUBMIT to PUBLIC COMPETI-
TION, at their rooms, on Friday, October 8, at 1
o'clock,
All that piece or parcel of land situate in the
parish of Doutta Galla, 1.5 miles beyond Essendon,
and just off the Deep Creek-road, containing
147.5 acres of good arable land, now in tho occu-
pation of Messrs. Wright and Crighton, and
used as a farm, with 66 acres under cultivation.
This well-known property is situate 1.5 miles
from Essendon, and just off the Deep Creek
road. It adjoins John Leslie Foster, Esq.'s valuable
estate, and is immediately in the rear of the land
belonging to Mr. Napier and Messrs. Connor and
Phelan.
There is erected on the land a weatherboard cottage,
oontaining three rooms and a kitchen, with out
buildings, and a vory large water-tank for cattle, which is
never dry. The whole is thoroughly fenced in with
a three-rail fence.
There is a metalled turnpike road the whole distance,
and the farm is approached by Mr. Foster's road, 1
chain wide, and is only 200 yards from the main
metalled Deep Creek road.
The crop can be taken at a valuation, if desired.
To any one wishing to be possessed of a first-class
farm near town, this farm affords an excellent opportunity,
as It is only in tho market on account of a dissolution
of partnership.
The title is guaranteed.(P.3, Argus, 1-10-1858.)

N.B. LINKS WILL NEED TO BE COPIED AND PASTED INTO YOUR SEARCH BAR TO ACCESS ARTICLES ETC.)
George Evans was one of Victoria's earliest settlers. He married Anne Holden in 1843.
GEORGE EVANS' MARRIAGE RECORD.
EVANS George Marriage HOLDEN, Anne, 1843, 381/1843

No details of her parents' names were provided on her death record.
EVANS Ann Death
parents' names: UNKNOWN
place of death: Sbury, 67, 1893, 3948/1893

EVANS — On the 12th inst., at the residence of her son, Emu Bottom, Sunbury, Anne, relict of the late George Evans, Queen-street, West Melbourne, aged 67 years. R.I.P. (P.2, The Herald, 13-1-1893.)


I have often wondered if the parish of Holden near Diggers Rest was named in honour of George's wife. It seems that it wasn't.

SHIRE OF MELTON HERITAGE STUDY
https://www.melton.vic.gov.au › volume-1-2-6
DOC
King notes that Bourke named Mt Aitken after John Aitken, and Mt Holden at Sunbury after Captain Holden, one of the party. Presumably this 'bare hill' was ...
Extract from page 8 of the study.
King notes that Bourke named Mt Aitken after John Aitken, and Mt Holden at Sunbury after Captain Holden, one of the party. Presumably this ‘bare hill’ was subsequently responsible for the naming of the Parish of Holden, which it overlooks, and consequently the ‘Holden Road’, which connects the Shire of Melton with what was the original Holden village reserve, and later a small farming district, on Jacksons Creek.

Captain Holden was most likely Captain Charles Holden.
https://www.freesettlerorfelon.com/convict_ship...
Extract.
Departure
The Westmoreland departed Dublin on 27 April 1838. Thirty-six convicts were under the age of 16. One was only ten years old.
CABIN PASSENGERS
Cabin Passengers included Captain Charles Holden and Ensign Arthur Carlos Henry Rumbold of the 51st regiment. Seven free settlers including Michael Hickey age 17 and John McNamara (both mentioned in the surgeon's journal).
MILITARY GUARD
Steerage passengers included - 32 rank and file of the 51st and 80th regiments, six women and five children.

The 51st regiment had a variety of names.
https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-1650055218/view
51st Regiment: Yorkshire Light Infantry (Kings Own)

https://en.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_British_Army...
4th (King's Own) 1832-1837 New South Wales, Western Australia, Victoria and Tasmania.[13][30]

The regiment only served until 1837 which would make it possible for Captain Charles Holden to accompany Sir Richard Bourke on his tour which included a visit to John Aitken at Mt Aitken (named by the Governor) and still be back in Ireland in time to board the Westmoreland by 27-4-1838. Governor Bourke left New South Wales in December 1837 to return to his estate in Ireland. Might Captain Charles Holden have acted as his aide, with a new post on the Westmoreland already arranged?

The Westmoreland article offers the only proof that Captain Holden actually had a christian name and that it wasn't a state secret. A history blog about Melbourne's south western suburbs reproduced extracts from the diary quoted in the Melton Heritage Study, providing the source which I found on Trove in the hope of finding mention of Captain Holden's given name.

THE SETTLEMENT OF PORT PHILLIP.
————❖————
Those who take an interest in the early days of this colony will welcome the following extracts from the diary of the late
Admiral King R.N., F.R.S., F.R.A.S., F.L.S., who, as Captain King, accompanied Sir Richard Bourke, governor of New South
Wales, when he visited Port Phillip in 1837, to decide upon a site for a township, and to put the settlement generally " upon its legs." (P.4, Argus, 19-2-1881.)

A large part of the diary extracts dealt with William Buckley's memories. Captain Holden was only mentioned in these passages.
MARCH 5TH. (AT END) " The day before the Governor went on shore he invited Captain Hobson and myself to accompany him in his inland journey. He says there will be no difficulty about horses, but I doubt it. I believe we shall take a cart or two with us.
MARCH 6.Detained on board all day by heavy rain.
" Loaded the heavy dray on the 8th, and found much difficulty in getting the bullocks to start. They belonged to Mr. Ebden.
There was no shafter among them. On the 9th, having despatched the cart with our personal baggage, the party set off. It con-
sisted of the Governor, Hunter, Holden, Hobson, and myself, with Buckley."

The party went south to Geelong and then headed north.

" The next morning the tents being struck, we proceeded to the N.E., in search of a station belonging to Mr. Sams, to obtain in-
formation for the best road to Mount Macedon. In front a bare hill, offering an opportunity of obtaining a good view, Mr. Holden(after whom His Excellency named the hill) accompanied me and assisted me in procuring an extensive set of angles, which, from the magnetic quality of the rock, led me at first, in laying them down on the plan, into some difficulty. Hence we saw several huts on the banks of the Saltwater River, or Darekeberran, and proceeding thither we reached it at an early hour. We found several settlers living here for the advantage of mutual protection. Mr. Sams was absent, and none knew very well the situation at which Mr. Aitken, who we were in search of, resided. A young man named Jackson very obligingly undertook to guide us, and after some considerable trouble we found it, and subsequently brought the dray and pitched our tents."

I believe the extracts in the article were edited by Shillinglaw and the heritage consultants had consulted the actual diary which must have named Holden as Captain Holden.

This is the only other source which indicates that Captain Holden could have been Captain Charles Holden.There is no indication of where he was when he decided to go onto half pay.

ENGLISH EXTRACTS.
MLITARY APPOINTMENTS AND PROMOTIONS. (14th and 17th November, 1843.)
Extract.
51st—Captain E. Woolley, from half pay unattached, to be Captain, vice C. Holden, who exchanges.
(Two papers- links: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12408984 ; https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8754096 )

E. J. ALEXANDER OF ROSEBUD.
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Extract from Vin Burnham's story.
When in our teens, we would frequently climb Arthurs Seat, using back tracks through Clacton to reach it (then known as the Clacton-on-sea estate, today known as the “avenues”). In Clacton, near the corner of Ropers Lane and Jetty Rd, there was an old hut called Rats Castle, and when young we were scared of the place. A Mr Alexander used to grow fine apples on a nearby property.
https://burnham.net.au/life-in-rosebud-in-the-early-years/

It is likely that the Rat's Castle was on lot 55 of Block L of Vale's 1909 subdivision of Woolcott's unsold portion of crown allotment 17, Wannaeue. See the advertisement and plan-
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/10693609

The blocks were of about 3420 square feet (0.0785 acres) and E. J.'s 2 acres (as revealed near the end of the post) would have consisted of about 25 blocks, almost half of block L, north to a point over Jetty Rd from today's Woonton Crescent.

PERSONAL..
Mr E. J. Alexander, who has occupied the position of mining manager of the South Langi Logan Company, and who recently resigned, will be leaving Ararat tomorrow to take up his residence at Rosebud, where he has some land. For some time past Mr Alexander has taken an interest in the working up of the Sunday school at the South Langi Logan, and a large section of the people thought, that he should not be allowed to take his departure without some slight recognition being made of the valuable services he had rendered. Accordingly, at the concert and coffee supper held at the South Methodist Church-last night, Mr Alexander was presented 'with a purse of sovereigns, when eulogistic speeches were, made concerning his good work in connection with the Methodist denomination.
(P.4, The Evening Echo, Ballarat, 5-3-1914.)

E.J. APPOINTED AS J.P. (2-5-1914.)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/70072243

Arbor day at Rosebud. (18-6-1914.)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/70072476

A well attended public meeting was held in the Rosebud Hall on Saturday, 22nd August, to initiate a patriotic Fund in aid of our troops. Mr Alexander took the chair, and explained the objects of the meeting. (29-8-1914.)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/70072609

ROSEBUD LAND AND WATER SPORTS CLUB. (21-11-1914.)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/70072883

E.J.'S HOUSE AT ST. ARNAUD, OCCUPIED BY HIS SON, DESTROYED BY FIRE. (5-1-1915.)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/90783382

E. J. PREVENTS A BARNEY. (27-3-1915.)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/70073250

EMPIRE DAY AT ROSEBUD (29-5-1915.)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/70073428

ARBOR DAY AT ROSEBUD (17-7-1915)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/70073569

CHRIST CHURCH, ST. ARNAUD. (4-8-1915)
Although E. J. was an Anglican, he had been a great supporter of Methodist* missionary efforts in both areas. He was still active at Christ Church and as Secretary of the Traders Association at St Arnaud**, so he must have been commuting fairly regularly between Rosebud and St Arnaud, probably by train from Mornington.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/92014788
* https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/154170352
** https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/73914769

AUSTRALIA DAY CONCERT. (14-8-1915.)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/70073647

PATRIOTIC CONCERT (9-10-1915.)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/70073823

ANZAC DAY AT ROSEBUD. (29-4-1916)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/70074354

AND THAT IS THE LAST PUBLIC MENTION OF E. J. AT ROSEBUD.
His wife died early in 1917 and he had probably gone home to comfort her as she declined. Whether she had been at Rosebud with him is unknown.

But that was not the end of his involvement at Rosebud, far from it.

LETTERS FROM THE GRAVE?
His birth record shows that he died in 1920, aged 62. Mr Jedd must have been referring to letters sent before his death.

E. J. was certainly not acting his age, perhaps because he didn't know what it was. Did the informant get E.J.'s age wrong, thinking that a bloke of about 80 just didn't go tearing round on a bike?


CRESWICK.
A STURDY VETERAN.
Mr E.J. Alexander, J.P., writing to Mr C. W. Jebb concerning the "Back to Creswick" event, says: - "Seeing that a 'Back to Creswick’ affair is proposed, 1 thought I would write and ask about it. I am a pretty old Creswickite, for I first took up my residence there more than 59 years ago.
Creswick will always be a pleasant recollection to me, and that owing to the constant, unremitting kindness shown me by your father and mother.

I am now settled at Rosebud —a little spot on the Point Nepean road, at the foot of Mount Arthur. I bought two acres of bracken ferns, ti-tree scrub and fern. You would be surprised at what I grow on it. This year I have had about a ton of potatoes, besides the usual vegetables. I have had 30 or 40 cases of apples, several cases of peaches, and about 150 of strawberries, about the same quantity of black loganberries (a fine fruit), and I am now gathering winter-keeping pears, so you can see 1 have not been idle. I am now in my 80th* year, and am thankful that I have vigorous good health. I can do my 50 or 60 miles a day on my bicycle, and when I want to go to Melbourne (48 miles), I cycle there.
You must not be surprised, therefore, if I do visit Creswick in November, to see me flying down the hill on my bike. "

Mr Alexander is well-known and esteemed throughout the Ballarat, Creswick, Allendale and Ararat districts.
(P.6, The Ballarat Star, 30-3-1921.)
* not a digitisation mistake.

FRESHWATER SPONGES. (26-3-1921.)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1742290

ALEXANDER Edwin Jared Death
mother: Mary nee FELTHAM father: Alexander Mark
place of death: St Arnaud, 62, 1920, 7856/1920

OLD RESIDENT’S DEATH.
Mr E. J. Alexander, retired grocer,
who came to St. Arnaud in 1873, died
on Monday, after a lingering illness.
He was 62 years of age. His wife
died a few years ago, leaving a grown
up family. The deceased was an
earnest worker for the Church of
England, and amongst other positions,
he was secretary for over 25 years.
He was a foundation member of the
Traders’ Association.
(P.6, The Ballarat Star, 22-4-1920.)



ALEXANDER Hannah Death
mother: Unknown UNKNOWN father: Robertson Wm
place of death: St Arnaud, 51, 1917, 3012/1917
OBITUARY.
MRS E. J. ALEXANDER.
A large circle of friends will regret
to hear of the death of Mrs Alexander,
wife of Mr E. J. Alexander, of St. Ar-
naud, which took place at her home,
Queen's Avenue, on Thursday evening,
after along and distressing illness, which
was borne with very great patience.
The end came as a happy release from
suffering. Deceased was the second
daughter of the late Mr W. Robertson,
and was born at Cathcart 51 years ago.

She went to St. Arnaud about 30 years
ago and lived with her aunt, Mrs Gray,
who was then owner of the Royal Ho-
tel, and is still resident in St. Arnaud.
The late Mrs Alexander was married, in
St. Arnaud in 1890, and had resided
there ever since. She was of a very
kind and lovable disposition. Serious
illness overtook her about three years
ago, and since then she has been an in-
valid. Previous to her indisposition
she was an active worker for the
Church of England, of which her hus-
band is secretary. Deep regret at their
loss is expressed for the husband and
family. The latter are:- Mr E. W.
Alexander, St. Arnaud; Lance-corporal
Charles M. Alexander, on active ser-
vice; Miss Annie M. Alexander, Mr H.
N. Alexander, Miss Lily V. Alexander,
and, Master S. P. Alexander, all of St.
Arnaud. Two sisters and five brothers
are also left, viz., Mrs Gilchrist and
Miss M. Robertson, Ararat; Private
J. Robertson, on active service; Mr A.
Robertson, Cressy; Messrs W. and G.
Robertson, Cathcart; and Mr C. Ro-
bertson, Maroona. The funeral took
place on Saturday afternoon at St. Ar-
naud.
(P.2, The Ararat Advertiser, 16-1-1917.)

It now seems certain that Edwin Jared (or Jarred) actually was 62 years old when he died. That would make him about 8 years older than Hannah when they married in 1890.

WOODLANDS, FLINDERS.
Paul Rogers' mention of William Barger being on the late Charles Graves' farm made me wonder if William was the person who introduced evergreen lucerne as a fodder crop on "Woodlands."
I didn't find the article*, read years ago, which I believe named the person, but it would seem that it was not William, who had a clearing sale in 1925 as he was selling the property, and evergreen lucerne advertisements started appearing in 1929.

*Postscript. I eventually found the 1930 article.
Evergreen Lucerne
Westernport evergreen lucerne is reported to have given excellent results on the property of Mr G. L. Andrew, of "Woodlands." Shoreham. who introduced this variety to Victoria. (etc.)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/223998245


The crazy thing about locality names near Flinders is that both William Barger and Woodlands were described almost equally as being at Shoreham and being at Flinders. To provide even more confusion the township of Shoreham was on the east side of the mouth of Stony Creek in the parish of Balnarring and the township of Balnarring on the west was in the parish of Flinders. Where both Shoreham and Flinders were used to describe the same location, they probably were describing Henry Tuck's former Manton's Creek Run, the east part of the Parish Of Flinders. The west part of the parish had been the Barker family's run.

That common interchanging of names for the same locality was just one of three discoveries related to Woodlands.

BLACKHEAD?
GRAVES.—On the 9th of March, at Woodland, near Flinders, Blackhead, of scarlet fever, Henry, third son of Charles and Jane Graves, aged four years ; also, on the 11th of March, William John, youngest son of the above, aged eighteen months, of scarlet fever. The Lord gave and the Lord hath taken away, blessed be the name of the Lord."
(P.47, Illustrated Australian News for Home Readers,27-3-1873.)

CHARLES GRAVES' APPLICATION FOR A PUBLICAN'S LICENCE AT WOODLANDS.
TO the Licensing Magistrates at Dromana.— I, CHARLES GRAVES, of Flinders, storekeeper, do hereby give notice that I desire to obtain, and will at the next licensing meeting APPLY for a PUBLICAN'S LICENCE for a house situated at Woodlands, Flinders, containing three rooms, exclusive of those required for the use of the family. The seventeenth day of September, A. D. 1875.
(P.1, The Age, 10-9-1875.)
It is hard to believe that he was successful. No mention of the application has been found, even in Leonard Wilding's HISTORY OF THE MORNINGTON PENINSULA (Mornington Standard, 1905.)

MORE ABOUT BLACKHEAD.
The death notice (identical in two papers) was the only mention of BLACKHEAD in reference to Flinders, Westernport (or Shoreham, which I tried too) when used in inverted commas as a search term (i.e. "Blackhead, Westernport".)
"Blackhead" (as a locality) produced no results in Victoria in the 1840's or 1850's. However BLACKHEAD may not have been a locality name coined by Charles Graves (as in the case of Henry Tuck who obviously told his children that his MANTON'S CREEK RUN near Flinders was known as Merimendiewokewoke-the original name of Manton's Creek- with their young minds partly absorbing such a long word and recalling it decades later as being, as stated on the Flinders Wikpedia page, "Flinders was once believed to have previously been known as Mendi-Moke, but this has subsequently been denied.[3] BY ME!)

"BLACKHEAD"
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/154971030 (P.2, The Age, 3-12-1862.)
EXTRACTS.
The Gazette of last night contains a proclamation by the Governor in Council, under the Act of the sixteenth year of her present Majesty to consolidate and amend the law relating to Ports, Harbors, and Shipping, in the colony of Victoria, repealing the proclamation of 30th May, 1853,which defined the limits and boundaries of ports, and made regulations for the same. His Excellency now defines the boundaries as follows : —
Western Port, within a line from Blackhead to Point Grant*, and from Cape Woolamai to Point Griffiths.
*Point Grant is near the Nobbies, Phillip Island's greatest tourist attraction because of the "formally-dressed" birds.

BLACKHEAD AND WEST HEAD.
CAPE SCHANK was referred to by Liadet in 1848 as meaning the same as west head. Considering that Cape Schanck was the graveyard of so many vessels it could be assumed that it was not the entrance to a harbour and that West Head was the western entrance to Westernport.

MAP OF WESTERNPORT.
https://www.google.com/search...

The map shows that the line from Blackhead to Point Grant would have been from West Head to Summerlands and that the Eastern entrance to Westernport would have been where the bridge now connects San Remo* and Phillip Island.
https://beachsafe.org.au/.../bass.../san-remo/griffith-point

Now how many results would you expect to find in a trove search for "West Head, Westernport". There were only two; the first in 1864, regarding country crown lands at West Head being withdrawn from sale and the second in 1909 about the Golf Club founded by David Maxwell was flourishing. See:
https://www.familytreecircles.com/review-of-a-history-of...

The obvious conclusion is that West Head was named about a year after the new regulation in late 1862 had called it Blackhead but Charles Graves preferred to stick to the old name (as many early settlers at Rye and Mornington did as evidenced by THE BATTLE OF TOOTGAROOK-Sorrento v Rye, and the Mornington team being cheered on with"Go the Pointers!"

Why would West Head have been originally called Blackhead?

I have often referred to land being acquired for the jetport at Tullamarine circa 1960 or 1961. The following shows that the purchases could not have begun before 24-8-1961.
ARTICLE, MAP
The article was found in a "parish of tullamarine" search on Trove.

This was posted on the PIONEERS OF THE MORNINGTON PENINSULA Facebook page and as it seemed likely that due to a new algorithm, it was going to be deleted by Facebook, rather than copy it into a word file where nobody would see it, I decided to copy it directly into a journal.

Shane Cleave sent me a message, and as I don't know him from a bar of soap, I wasn't going to answer it. Luckily I did. If you or others want me to be able to help you, write a post, starting with my name and then some information, such as in Shane's message.
Shane's message (edited by me.)
I am Shane Cleave from Flinders. If you don’t mind I would like to find out more about the Cleave family. I think they settled in Red Hill South. My grandfather was Walter Cleave. Thank you for your posts.

This was the only result in a "Walter Cleave" trove search limited to the Mornington Standard, Frankston.
Clearing sale—Shoreham, Alex Scott and Co report having held, on the 26th inst, at Wattle Grove, Shoreham, a most successful sale on account of Mrs Smidt, executrix in the estate of the late John J. Smidt, when they disposed of the whole of the cattle, ponies, household funiture and effects at highly satisfactory prices. The properties were not sold by auction, but were subsequently disposed of privately. "Wattle Grove" of 81 acres was purchased by Mr William Batholomew of Flinders, ten acres (on the Dromana and Flinders roads???????) by Mr W. Walter Cleave Jr of Red Hill, half-acre township allotment at Flinders by Mrs C. Johansen.
(P.2, Mornington Standard, Frankston, 3-7-1915.)

As there were possibly dozens of people named Walter Cleave who were totally unrelated to Shane, rather than barking up the wrong tree and catching a red herring, I did a "CLEAVE, RED HILL" search and discovered an Anzac, born in Traralgon, and his brother, also an Anzac.

ANZAC PROJECT.
Theodore Ernest CLEAVE
Regimental number-19782
Place of birth-Taralgon (sic), Victoria
School-Balmarring, Flinders and Main Creek, Victoria
Religion-Church of England
Occupation-Butcher
Address-Red Hill, via Mornington, Victoria
Marital status-Single
Age at embarkation-19
Next of kin-Father, W W Cleave, Red Hill, via Mornington, Victoria Previous military service-Nil
Enlistment date-30 July 1915
Date of enlistment from Nominal Roll-30 November 1915
Rank on enlistment-Gunner
Unit name-Field Artillery Brigade 8, Battery 30
AWM Embarkation Roll number-13/36/1
Embarkation details-Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A7 Medic on 20 May 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll-Gunner
Unit from Nominal Roll-8th Field Artillery Brigade
Fate-Died of wounds 2 June 1917
Place of death or wounding-Ploegsteert, Messines, Belgium
Age at death- 21
Family/military connections
Brother: 19783 Gunner Charles harper CLEAVE, 8th Field Artillery Brigade, .............
Other details
War service: Western Front
Medals: British War Medal, Victory Medal

CHARLES HARPER CLEAVE'S SERVICE RECORD.
https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=55116

BIRTH RECORDS.
CLEAVE Ernt Theodore Birth
MOTHER: Mary Harper nee RICHEY father: Wm Walt
place of birth: TRARALGON, 1896, 15563/1896

Charles Harper (reg. no. 12398 / 1894) born at Gunbower, all other details as above.

Shane, because of interaction with descendants, I have been able to write stories about thousands of pioneers about whom I knew nothing at first except a name in rate records or on a parish map. If W. Walter Cleaves was your grandfather, I don't even have those details. Where exactly were the 10 acres on the Dromana and Flinders road? (Melway co-ordinates.) How were W.W., T.E., and C.H. Cleave related to you?

If you or others are able to answer these questions, I will be able to press on with my research.

A WORD OF WARNING.
There is a fair chance that this post will be labelled scam by Facebook's algorithm and deleted by Facebook so I suggest that readers copy it before this happens and write a comment stating that they do not regard it as scam.

Postscript, 9 a.m. 17-9-2022.
Further message from Shane (edited by me.)
Thank you for your reply. (The above post.) Yes, C.H. Cleave was my grandfather's brother. I have his world war medals and more and I am very respectful of them. A cousin of mine, John Tuck, gave them to me. Thank you again for your help. I know a lot about the Tuck side of the family; my grandma was a Tuck, E.Cleave born 1895. She lived (with?) us and told me a lot about about the Tuck side but not the Cleave side. My father A.W Cleave born 1930 👍

CLEAVE—TUCK.—On th 7th September, at St McCartan's Catholic Church, Mornington, by the Rev. Father O'Hagan, William Walter, eldest son of William Walter and Mary Harper Cleave, of Red Hill, to Ethel, second youngest daughter of Elizabeth and the late Thomas Tuck of Flinders. (P.5, The Age, 8-8-1921.)

BIRTH RECORDS OF THE BRIDE AND GROOM.
CLEAVE William Walter Birth
mother: Mary Harper nee RICHEY (Ritchie?) father: William Walter place of birth: GUNB (Gunbower), 1882, 3110/1882

TUCK Ethel Birth
mother: Elizth nee HADDOW father:Thos
place of birth: FLINDERS BALNAR(ring), 1895, 12198/1895

RE SHANE'S COMMENT: "My father A.W Cleave born 1930"- no birth record was found. However there was one for the daughter* of Albert Bertram Cleave, he being a brother of Theodore Ernest, Charles Harper and William Walter.

ALBERT BERTRAM'S BIRTH RECORD.
CLEAVE Albert Bertram Birth mother: Mary Harper nee RICHEY father: William Walter place of birth:GUNBOWER
1888. 11939/1888

HIS MARRIAGE RECORD.
CLEAVE Albert Bertram Marriage CAIRNS, Janet Thompson 1916 4668/1916

* BIRTH RECORD OF HIS DAUGHTER.
CLEAVE Vera Jane Birth mother:CLEAVE, Janet Thompson nee CAIRNS father:CLEAVE, Albert Bertram place of birth:Flinders
1920, 21743/1920