On the marriage of Arthur William Hammand Wardle in Kensington 22 June 1902 to Annie Elizabeth Poulter his father is listed as Edward Wardle Plasterer.

Do you have the Census for the family

1891 Census
1891 England Census about Edward Wardle
Name: Edward Wardle
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Wardle
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, London, England
Civil Parish: Willesden
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Wardle 27 b Marylebone
Emma Wardle 27 b Medbourne Hertfordshire
Emma Wardle 7 b Marylebone
William Wardle 5 b Willesden (27 Nov 1885 bapt 21 Nov 1888) William Edward James
Fred Wardle 3 b Willesden (20 Dec 1887 bap 27 Mar 1889) Frederick James
James Wardle 1 b Willesden (bapt 15 Dec 1889) James Frederick

1901 looks like the family moved to Buckinghamshire

1901 England Census about Edward Wardle
Name: Edward Wardle
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Emma Wardle
Birth Place: Marylebone, London, England
Civil Parish: Slough
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Wardle 40 b Marylebone
Emma Wardle 39 b Busey Hertfordshire
Arthur Wardle 20 b Fulham London **
Frederic Wardle 14 b Kilburn London
James Wardle 12 b Kilburn London
Bertie Wardle 10 b Kilburn London (bapt 20 Apr 1897 no birth date recorded)
Albert Wardle 8 b Kensington (21 Jul 1893, bapt 19 Apr 1897) Albert Edward
Minnie Wardle 6 b Kensington (12 Jan 1895, bapt 19 Apr 1897) Amelia
Edward Wardle 5 b Kensington (18 Mar 1896, bap 19 Apr 1897) Edward William
Victor Wardle 3 b Kensington (12 Sept 1897, bapt 21 Dec 1897) Victor Edward John
Ellen Wardle 2 Slough
George Wardle 4 Months Slough (14 Nov 1900, bapt 11 Feb 1903) George Robert

George Robert was baptised in West Drayton, presume family returned to London after his birth.

There is this 1911 Census but it doesn't make much sense, it is signed by Mr George Wardle


1911 England Census about Wardle
Name: Wardle
Age in 1911: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Marylebone
Civil Parish: Willesden
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 12 Pembroke Place, Kilburn
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 29
Estimated Marriage Year: 1882
Occupation: Plastler
Registration district: Willesden

Household Members:
Name Age
Wardle 52
Amy Wardle 53 b Kent? possibly Emma
James Wardle 24 b Kilburn possibly James or Frederick
Earnest Wardle 17 b kilburn possibly Albert
Elizabeth Wardle 16 Kilburn possibly Amelia
Rose Wardle 13 b Kilburn possibly Ellen
Gerty Wardle 10 b Kilburn
Florence Wardle 4 b Kilburn


1901 Census

**
possibly Arthur William Hammand Wardle

Do you have a copy of any of the children's birth certificates to verify mothers name and may give you more details to search for marriage dates.

William Edward James Wardle b 27 Nov 1885 could be good one to start with.

This is from the freebmd.org.uk site

Births Mar 1886
WARDLE William Edward J Hendon 3a 170

I think I found the right 1911 Census


1911 England Census about Edward Wardle
Name: Edward Wardle
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Paddington, London, England
Civil Parish: West Drayton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: White House, Money Lane, West Drayton
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Plasterer
Registration district: Uxbridge

Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Wardle 48 b Paddington - Plasterer
Emmie Wardle 48 b Elstree Middlesex?
William Wardle 22 b Paddington - Plasterer
Bertie Wardle 20 b kensington - Electric Wire Winder - married to Ellen O'Brien
Albert Wardle 17 b kensington - house boy
Victor Wardle 13 b kensington - School
Sidney Wardle 6 b West Drayton
Edward Wardle 15 b kensington
Margaret Wardle 8 b West Drayton
Ellen Wardle 12 b Slough - School
Ellen Wardle 19 b Newport Pagnell- married 1910 Uxbridge to Bertie
Ellen Wardle 2/12 b West Drayton daugh. of Ellen & Bertie

Details married 26 years 13 children, 11 living, 3 deceased

Minnie (Amelia) is working as a general servant in West Drayton

I have Edward Wardles(Wardell) birth cert .
Born 7 Dec 1865 Marylebone, london. Parents William and Harriet. Edwards wife was Emma. Emmas mother maiden name was Hannah Peters. Emmas mother married an Issac HOW/E. When Emma had Arthur William Hammond he was a PETERS in the 1881 Census. In the 1891 Census Emma and Edward are together as the Wardle family. Emma Peters was born in 1862 in Hoddeson. I beleive if they married it was after 1881 and before 1885.
I have searched Free BMD with all combinations and permutations, any suggestions would be helpful. Myself and others have almost given up looking.
He did father a child by another when he was married but to who I was never told.
Best regards
Alan

The family with George Robert is Edwards family.

George wardle died about aged 5 . He suffered from bad burns while in his cot.

Strange that Minnie who is Amelia has a birthday of 14 Feb 1895. I have a certificate. I actually knew her.

Can I ask a question how did you come to the conclusion that Emma Peters the How/e is Emma's mother do you have documents etc.

In both 1891 & 1901 she listed as born Hertfordshire?

Interesting that Amelia's birth date on her Baptism is recorded as 12 Jan 1895 which is a month earlier than the certifcate you have.

On the Amelia's birth certificate does it list her mother as Emma Peters??


I did find something interesting during my search

baptism for
Eveline Harriet Wardle
Bapt 17 Aug 1887 St Augstines Kilburn
Born 23 Dec 1881
Father: William Wardle late housepainter
Mother: Harriet
Addres: 7 Elgin Street

baptism for
Herbert Walter Henry Doyle
bapt 17 Aug 1887 St Augustines Kilburn
Born 29 Mar 1886
Father: Walter Henry Doyle Horsekeeper
Mother Harriet
Address: 7 Elgin Street

Notation on side
Harriet, Mrs Wardle (Widow) married Walter Henry Doyle in April 1885

I can't find any marriage for them in any year, nor a census. I did find Walter Henry Doyle in Kilburn 11 Oct 1908, aged 25 Father Walter Omnibus Driver deceased. In 1911 Census he is 29, born Paddington, Corporate Carman. In 1901 Census Walter Henry, b1858 Somers Town London, he is a patient in hospital in Hendon, Occ: Horsekeeper and there is a death for a Walter Doyle 42? in Hendon in June 1901.

It is strange about Amelias baptism and birth dates,
Her mothet is listed as E. Wardle on the cert in Kensington 32 st georges road. I have a school record for Walter which for some reason says he wad born 25 Mar 1885. He's living at 1 Malvern gardens. Edwards mothet in law was a Crouch.
Edwatds mother is shown as Nee Brown.

I did a bit more digging and found this marriage

Marriages Dec 1879
Peters Emma Chelsea 1a 529
SITCH Stephen Chelsea 1a 529


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Stephen Sitch
Name: Stephen Sitch
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Age: 20
Spouse Name: Emma Peters
Spouse Age: 17
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1879
Parish: Worlds End St John
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: James Sitch
Register Type: Parish Register

Details:
Stephen - 20, Bachelor, Carman, Res: 7 Loti Rd, Father James Occ: Horsekeeper
Emma - 17, spinster, Res: 2 Ledford Terrace, Loti Rd no further details

Witnesses: Henry Kenningdale his mark & Emma Kenningdale her mark

both Stephen & Emma signed

I found the 1881 Census you refer to earlier
Emma Ditch (Sitch) 18, b1863 Medbourn Hertfordshire
Arthur Peters, 2, b1879 Fulham Middlesex
Charles Ditch (Sitch) b 1881 Marylebone

Arthurs Birth
Dec 1878
PETERS Arthur William H Fulham 1a 256

Charles Birth
Births Mar 1881
SITCH Charles Marylebone 1a 600

Charles' baptism
17 July 1881 Paddington St Saviour, F:Stephen, Res:7 Canterbury Rd, Occ: Carman

couple more children
Violet Lilian Sitch 26 July 1882 Paddington St Savior F:Stephen Res:8 Rudolph St
Charles Sitch (details same as Violet above)

In 1881 Census Stephen is living with his parents at 67 Seaton Street and is listed as unmarried

James 64
Elizabeth 56
Stephen 21 unmarried b Mountnessing Essex
Jane 17
Charles 15

In 1891 Stephen is living with Sarah Elizabeth Winmill and has two more sons
Stephen Sitch 32 b Mountnessing Essex
Sarah Elizabeth Winmill 32, b Sodburn Bedfordshire
Percy Sitch Winmill 4 b Chelsea
Charles Sitch Winmill 9/12 Shoreditch

Birth for Percy
Mar 1887
WINMILL Percy Stephen S Chelsea 1a 350

birth for Charles
Sep 1890
WINMILL Charles Shoreditch 1c 33


1901 Census
at 51 Parkside Street, Battersea

Stephen Sitch 41, b Brentwood Essex Occ: General Lab
Sarah Elizabeth 42, bWoburn Bedfordshire
Ruth 9
John 8
James 6
Harry 5
Lucy 3
Francis G 2/12

all children born Battersea London

baptisms for Lucy
Lucy Elizabeth Sitch (21 May 1897) bap 13 June 1897 Battersea St Saviour

Baptism Francis G
Frances George (1 Feb 1901) bap 27 Feb 1901 Battersea St Svaiour

so it looks like both Emma Peters and Stephen Sitch found new partners but were never divorced so there were never any new marriages for them.

I've searched every site that I can and have found no record of any other marriage for Emma Peters and Stephen Sitch.

On 1911 Census looks like Sarah Elizabeth has died Stephen is listed as Widow and it is noted that they had 10 children 7 living 3 deceased.

possibly her death
Deaths Dec 1908
Sitch Sarah 51 London C. 1c 7


I couldn't find birth or death's for Violet Lilian Sitch bap 1882 nor for Charles Sitch bap 1882, and no sign of Charles Sitch b Mar 1881, Bap July 1881 after 1881 Census.

I have possible marriages for Emily/Emma.
William Brown m Emma Peters 2a 22 Epsom

P$ the 2 witnesses would they be full time witnesses as I have them on another Certificate of marriage.
Many thanks
Alan
There is another for an Edward Clarke and Emma How I think

I have a letter from one of Edwards daughters, Ellen/Nell who says Edward and Emma were born in the same year. My grandfather says he's a year older than his birth cert states!!!

There is a lottie hammond wardle born Sept 1876 6a 733. Maybe one of Edwards along with Arthur William Hammond Wardle. Dec 1878. She appears to marry in South America from searches I've done. At one stage Arthur hammond wardle was in an orphanage in 1881 run by an American lady. I've lost the details. It was in london.

I fpund a wiliam Browns who's grandad wad a Hammond.
Still doesn`t explain why Arthur was with Emma peters. He is dumped in 81 then is radmitted to the family moves up North and marries. is with . My geuss is Edward was 2 timing his alleged 2 wives.

I fpund a wiliam Browns who's grandad wad a Hammond.
Still doesn`t explain why Arthur was with Emma peters. He is dumped in 81 then is radmitted to the family moves up North and marries. is with . My geuss is Edward was 2 timing his alleged 2 wives.

I can't find any reference to an orphanage for Arthur Hammond Wardle or Peters in 1881 only the Census with his mother Emma Sitch.

Do you think you could find the papers?

Sorry it might of been 1891. The hammond part wasn't included when I found it. Should of saved the search. I'll have a look.

All I can remember was an American Citizen was in charge a woman. He may of been Sitch or Peters. I think it was 1881.
Best regards
Alan.w